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I read on here that the Marvell SATA ports do not support TRIM for SSD's. Seeing as how my motherboard has Marvell Serial ATA 6.0 Gb/s connectors, I did a quick Google search. (A look through the manual provided with the Sabertooth X58 did not yield any information on these ports supporting TRIM.)

First link was: from the Crucial Forums

The discussion generally confirmed my suspicion until I got to this:
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Originally Posted by lsdmeasasp, half way down the page from the link above 
This may apply to the 9123, but I recieved a yes from my contact at Gigabyte, information was passed directly from Marvell, who does know what he is talking about in regards to the 9128 chip (Gigabyte X58A boards) http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Solid-State-Drives-SSD/Marvell-9123-9128-TRIM-yes-no/m-p/11255#M3865

I also found a thread on here from a while back talking about this, but I couldn't find anything definitive: OCN thread from a while back
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Originally Posted by kckyle, from above OCN link 
people with x58 shouldn't get vertex 3 since it's not true sata 6 due to hardware limitation.

Is this true? I'm looking to get a SSD upgrade before the end of the year. Am I better off sticking with SATAII SSD's since my ports are... iffy?
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If lsdmeasap says something, then take his word as fact. I've found him to be someone who, when he states something confidently like that, it's fact.

So when he says that his contact at Gigabyte tells him that Marvell told them that the 9128 supports the TRIM command, I believe it.

Therefore, I will start telling others the same thing.

However, this doesn't change the fact that Marvell's 9128 controller is kind of crappy. smile.gif
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCables;15327291 
If lsdmeasap says something, then take his word as fact. I've found him to be someone who, when he states something confidently like that, it's fact.

So when he says that his contact at Gigabyte tells him that Marvell told them that the 9128 supports the TRIM command, I believe it.

Therefore, I will start telling others the same thing.

However, this doesn't change the fact that Marvell's 9128 controller is kind of crappy. smile.gif

My board is from ASUS, so can I assume that the Marvell ports support TRIM as well? This is just a little weird for me because he's the only one that I've seen say that the 9128 supports TRIM while everyone else says otherwise.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sequences;15329225 
My board is from ASUS, so can I assume that the Marvell ports support TRIM as well? This is just a little weird for me because he's the only one that I've seen say that the 9128 supports TRIM while everyone else says otherwise.
If anyone would know whether or not the Marvell 9128 controller supports it, then it is lsdmeasap.

I think that no matter which board it is on, the Marvell 9128 controller is the Marvell 9128 controller. So I think it is irrespective of the motherboard and I think all that matters is which controller it is.
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Last time I contacted Lsdmeasap, he said no Marvell controllers support TRIM. It was a while back though.

Plus, if their controllers did support it, they would at least announce it. Also, on the hardware side I just can't a way how TRIM would work, too complicated for such structure.

I would still think that Marvell doesn't support TRIM. Use native Intel SATA 3GB/s ports IMHO, more reliable and faster 4k speeds.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by XSCounter;15331243 
Last time I contacted Lsdmeasap, he said no Marvell controllers support TRIM. It was a while back though.

Plus, if their controllers did support it, they would at least announce it. Also, on the hardware side I just can't a way how TRIM would work, too complicated for such structure.

I would still think that Marvell doesn't support TRIM. Use native Intel SATA 3GB/s ports IMHO, more reliable and faster 4k speeds.
When you asked him, was it prior to April 13th of 2010?

http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Solid-State-Drives-SSD/Marvell-9123-9128-TRIM-yes-no/m-p/11255#M3865
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post #7 of 44
The Marvell 9128 controller ain't the best. But I like it better than my sataII ports.
What I know about my Marvell:
- max speed 440Mb/s
- got garbage collecting if not Trim.
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Does anyone have testing data to illustrate how the Marvell 9128 controller performs worse than the Intel controller for 4Ks?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glends;15331635 
The Marvell 9128 controller ain't the best. But I like it better than my sataII ports.
What I know about my Marvell:
- max speed 440Mb/s
- got garbage collecting if not Trim.

How did you conclude that maximum speed? Is that read or write?
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I could check that for you as I have latest Marvell firmware and driver but my sig rig is turned off right now... ninja.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by lsdmeasap 
[...] in RAID TRIM will not function, you will reply on GC (Garbage Collection), which will be fine. TRIM is way overrated I think, GC does a fine job

Source

So yeah considering what lsdmeasap said TRIM works but not when using RAID...
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post #10 of 44
I did a lot of research on this during the summer regarding x58 MB's. If you have the correct firmware, BIOS and drivers for your Marvell controller then it will support trim.

You have an Asus Sabertooth and I have an Asus R3E. I had to install a modified R3E BIOS that had updated Marvell firmware and BIOS that supported trim. I also installed updated Marvell drivers. Read my post from 07/01/11 for more information.
http://www.overclock.net/ssd/1055256-so-whats-best-solution-warning-another.html
The Marvell drivers I am using are 1.2.0.1003

So unless you can find a modified BIOS for your Sabertooth I do not think that your Marvell controller will support trim since Asus never has updated any of their BIOS with updated Marvell controller firmware/BIOS. You maybe able to find someone to do it for you.

Attached are two AS SSD benchmarks and overall my score on the Intel SATA II ports (AS SSD BM 4.44GHz-1301_070511) are higher than the overall score on the Marvell SATA III ports (AS SSD BM 4.44GHz-1301_073011), but some of the read scores for Marvell were quite a bit higher.

You need to make up your own mind what port you want to run your SSD off of. After comparing the AS SSD benchmarks I put my SSD back on the Intel SATA II ports.
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