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post #1 of 16
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Alright,.... so I am planning on building a new rig for my wife. I waited for AMD Bulldozer to come out as traditionally my computer build was Intel and her's was AMD. She likes to root for the underdog and BD was supposed to be a great processor. Maybe AMd will work out the kinks when Trinity rolls out, but I am not going to wait that long. I hope they do so they can provide competition and a reason for Intel to keep up the pace and innovations. It is a healthy thing.

At any rate I went on to consider several processors on both sides and the fact is that the AMD 1100T is bested by the 2500K in many areas, usually a significant amount. Now maybe I exaggerate and it isn't as much noticeable difference as I think it will be. But, you guys can correct me if I am wrong.

What I am trying to determine at this point is whether I should spend $180 on a 2500K or $315 on a 2600K. That is a difference of 175% and I doubt the 2600K has anywhere near a 75% performance gain. And I don't expect it too. Question is whether the gain will be truly critical to have or if it would be noticed, whatever gain there is.

She is a graphic designer and it is not uncommon to both be using Photoshop and Illustrator at the same time for instance. And she does to word processing of course as well as other common things. On top of that we have been known to game together when we have the time like Left 4 Dead 2, CoD, and strategy games. Thus the processor will have to meet all those needs and perform admirably.

What is the realistic gain by the 2600K over the 2500K? The way I understand it most gains are 3-5%. In some cases the 2500K performs better due to Hyper Threading proving to be an issue at times in the 2600K. And in the cases that the difference is more like 20% (which are very few) it is video encoding or some rendering. And at the moment we don't mess much with either, but it might be fun to try at some point. Esp. if I get the DSLR with HD recording in the next few months (which I do plan on upgrading my rig to Ivy Bridge which may be around the same time).

Thanks for any help and advice.
Edited by RoddimusPrime - 10/15/11 at 8:17pm
post #2 of 16
The 2500k. As long as you get her a Z68 motherboard and use Virtu when video encoding, you don't need the i7 2600k.

I have both, and I take it you won't be putting hers under water, so the i5 2500k will also give you more overclocking headroom if temps are a concern.

If you want me to test anything to compare (as I have a 2600k and a 2500k), let me know.
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video rendering, graphics editing, folding etc = 2600k

Gaming majority of the time and doing a 'little' of the above = 2500k

Simples
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The 2500k. As long as you get her a Z68 motherboard and use Virtu when video encoding, you don't need the i7 2600k.

I have both, and I take it you won't be putting hers under water, so the i5 2500k will also give you more overclocking headroom if temps are a concern.

If you want me to test anything to compare (as I have a 2600k and a 2500k), let me know.
Yeah, I have a feeling I will have a question or comparison. Also, ... I can get the 2600K for $280 + tax at MicroCenter, but that is still $298. Now if I could get a 2600K for $260 then I would be much more tempted.

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video rendering, graphics editing, folding etc = 2600k

Gaming majority of the time and doing a 'little' of the above = 2500k

Simples
Hmmm.... I think she does more work than gaming with free lance. Her day job though is spent on a Mac so I have no idea if the Mac performs better for such things like Adobe CS5 or whatever, but I want to make sure she can easily use her Adobe stuff and game as well.

I have a feeling either would work, and that we would not notice much of any difference unless video encoding for example (which we currently don't do and maybe would just use mine mainly for such things, esp. when I upgrade to Ivy Bridge).

I will still have to purchase the MoBo as well, but I have all the other things (although I may buy another 8GB of RAM for her when I can).

I also don't want to fall into any pit traps or e-peen stuff. For example, most RAM differences don't matter at a point. DDR3, 1600, CL9 vs 1800, CL8 is very small difference and one that is hard to notice in real world performance.
post #5 of 16
Well, since you bring MicroCenter to this, you do know that you get $80 off a Z68 motherboard when buying an i7 2600k, right?

For the i5 2500k, you get $40 off select motherboards.
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Well, since you bring MicroCenter to this, you do know that you get $80 off a Z68 motherboard when buying an i7 2600k, right?

For the i5 2500k, you get $40 off select motherboards.
You think those mobo's are decently priced to be begin with? If so I may just opt for that. Any suggestions for boards to get? I can tell you SATA 3, RAID 0/1, and gigabit LAN port is something I am looking for. Beyond that mostly the norm, but I will OC the unit to 4.2Ghz most likely.

To throw one more wrench into this I assume the 2700K is probably something not worth waiting for? For me probably not unless it simple replaces the 2600K and it's price point.
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She is a graphic designer and it is not uncommon to both be using Photoshop and Illustrator at the same time for instance.
A CUDA graphics card will far-and-away make the biggest difference...

On the same test, a GTS 450 outperforms the i7-2600k by 1,117% (see below)!

The integrated HD3000 graphics on the 2500k aren't compatible with the hardware acceleration functions of MPE; therefore, you're limited to software.

http://ppbm5.com/Test.html: "A CUDA/MPE card makes a huge difference in performance and improves quality of the output over software MPE."

Now, lets take a look at Tom's: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...wn,2874-7.html

"Premiere Pro would be an excellent use case for Intel in showing off what six cores and 12 threads can do, demonstrating that there is an audience for these $1000 CPUs. However, I have an even easier way to cut all of these times down...buy a CUDA-enabled GeForce card. When you enable hardware-based acceleration of Adobe’s Mercury Playback Engine, encode times plunge."

"The hardware-accelerated configurations are more than 20 times faster than rendering in software."




http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...0,2781-13.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-bit,2770.html

post #8 of 16
If you're only going to 4.2GHz, then the 2700K isn't worth going for. If those are your only criteria, any board will do.

@ jlells01 - His wife will also be gaming, I'm sure he probably already has a graphics card for her, most likely an Nvidia card.
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If you're only going to 4.2GHz, then the 2700K isn't worth going for. If those are your only criteria, any board will do.
Well.... I would go higher, but I don't want to do water cooling in her unit unless it is a closed system. I have the Corsair H60 I think it is.... but, a good air cooler can match those kinds of solutions.

And those are just features I want to make sure are there as I will be setting up a RAID and some boards did not have enough SATA 3 ports. At least two is needed for instance. And some boards on the lower end did not have Gigabit. The rest I say is par for the coarse as in wanting good cooling, great quality, and easy to use. Trusted brand, etc. Bluetooth is a bonus, but again I can buy a USB bluetooth dongle if needed. I will hookup a Blu Ray drive and a Xonar Essence ST sound card as well as a multimedia bay in the front for camera cards. I usually use only one Ethernet port and I think my server will be connected on the same network and thus I don't think another Ethernet port will be needed unless I am forgetting some feature. I also want the board to have good performance ratings and of course great price/performance ratio.
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A CUDA graphics card will far-and-away make the biggest difference...

On the same test, a GTS 450 outperforms the i7-2600k by 1,117% (see below)!

The integrated HD3000 graphics on the 2500k aren't compatible with the hardware acceleration functions of MPE; therefore, you're limited to software.

http://ppbm5.com/Test.html: "A CUDA/MPE card makes a huge difference in performance and improves quality of the output over software MPE."

Now, lets take a look at Tom's: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...wn,2874-7.html

"Premiere Pro would be an excellent use case for Intel in showing off what six cores and 12 threads can do, demonstrating that there is an audience for these $1000 CPUs. However, I have an even easier way to cut all of these times down...buy a CUDA-enabled GeForce card. When you enable hardware-based acceleration of Adobe’s Mercury Playback Engine, encode times plunge."

"The hardware-accelerated configurations are more than 20 times faster than rendering in software."




http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...0,2781-13.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-bit,2770.html


True, but in that same article it also mentions that it is only applicable in certain scenarios. And some of those scenarios are only with certain plug-ins like Beauty Box. CS5 does not natively support CUDA as it states. And with CS5 most the heavy lifting is CPU based, but most of the differences lie with using a plugin and most notably is again, noted in Premier which is not something we use currently as that is not graphic design related.

Not slamming you, but it isn't the end all be all thing for sure and is scenario specific, not native, plug-ins needed, and nothing overly exciting for things like Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, etc.
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