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Maybe they are talking about "shaders" or the like.... Well, in most OEM PC's graphic abilities are limited so this could benefit.
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Originally Posted by Am*;15329227 
I still think they should keep their GPUs on the motherboard for people who want to use them (fair enough if you do). I bet the current SB chips would overclock a lot further without IGPs and would fit within a lower thermal envelope; and besides, most people will use discrete cards anyway with their 2500K/2600K.

Doesn't make any sense for intel to do that, its far more cost effective for everyone involved to include the GPU into the CPU. Sure, its mildly annoying for us enthusiasts when we can't see immediate use or value from it, but at the end of the day its ultimately moot as intel's current APUs have more than delivered, and I really don't think cutting out the GPU would make much of a difference overall.

although for the most part I agree about the K series, if Intel can make a Xeon SandyB without the GPU, why not with the K series?

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Originally Posted by Mr.Eiht;15329654 
I will never understan that on-die GPU stuff. Ok for this and that. Sure.
But since most of the OCN member have a "real" GPU (inside a g.card) they don´t use the GPU inside their SB.
(Ok now we have z68 and things might change a bit).
But instead of this GPU I prefere more cores.
So the space that is occupied but that on-die GPU should be populated by a CPU core.
I am glad that there is no GPU stuff involved in SB-Es wink.gif

do you not understand that OCN members are in the vast minority? It might not feel that way with so many people here, but its true

we don't need the GPU included, but a majority do, and if things go according to plan with GPGPUs and APUs in general, the integrated GPUs will serve far more important roles for everyday processing in the near future

also, to get an idea of just how much space intel is allocating to the GPU, there is a Xeon SandyBridge on par with the 2600 but without the GPU, and is allocated an 80W TDP, so that's 15W for the GPU to hit 95W TDP for the 2600, that's not even enough to squeeze in an extra core.

in the meantime if it really bothers you that much you can always put your money where your mouth is and pony up for s2011 tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by bojinglebells;15330152 
do you not understand that OCN members are in the vast minority? It might not feel that way with so many people here, but its true

we don't need the GPU included, but a majority do, and if things go according to plan with GPGPUs and APUs in general, the integrated GPUs will serve far more important roles for everyday processing in the near future

I think his point was that the vast majority of people (i.e. those who find IGPs sufficient for their needs) wouldn't buy an i7 or Xeon anyway, so putting an IGP in a $300 CPU is a waste of space.

I agree with Mr. Eiht, though, but I think Intel should drop the IGP in favor of more cores only if they do it right. Wouldn't be pretty if they went the Bulldozer route of ADD MOAR COARS CUZ THEIR BETTAR without a substantial IPC improvement.

The IGPs as they are now still aren't anywhere near the league of a dedicated NVIDIA or AMD GPU, so they should stick to putting them in the budget tier.
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Originally Posted by Malcolm;15330221 
I agree with Mr. Eiht, though, but I think Intel should drop the IGP in favor of more cores only if they do it right. Wouldn't be pretty if they went the Bulldozer route of ADD MOAR COARS CUZ THEIR BETTAR without a substantial IPC improvement.

If BD wasn't such a flop intel would have had to add more cores on mainstream
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Originally Posted by Don Karnage;15330238 
If BD wasn't such a flop intel would have had to add more cores on mainstream

Possibly. I'm still not expecting a hex or octo-core in the 2600K's bracket for a long time. Oh Intel, Y U NO stop using core count as product differentiation?
post #26 of 42
I build a rig for someone who really needs no g.card. The on die gpu of the I3 was enough for him.
But for "k" versions this is folly.
15W, who cares. It would bother me to have something completely useless in my CPU.
If they include more gpu`s (shaders or whatever) into haswells - fine. But this should be done for low end CPUs not the enthusiast versions.
And I don`t think that Intel doesn`t care about "us" enthusiasts. They make "X" and "K" versions of their CPUs . And they even make "E" versions of SBs. So thiis shows that they are intrested in
humans that spend more for their hardware than they should lachen.gif

And yeah it might be more expensive for Intel to do this or that - but they have enough money anyway. And if they make a small percentage less profit -> I don`t care.
(Since it is not my money wink.gif)
Edited by Mr.Eiht - 10/16/11 at 9:14am
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Originally Posted by Am*;15329227 
I still think they should keep their GPUs on the motherboard for people who want to use them (fair enough if you do). I bet the current SB chips would overclock a lot further without IGPs and would fit within a lower thermal envelope; and besides, most people will use discrete cards anyway with their 2500K/2600K.

The GPU is disabled via power gating, it has no effect on CPU whatsoever and is not factored into the TDP of the CPU cores.

The GPU being on-die means cheaper platform cost as well.
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They're pretty much losing to AMD's fusion where people can do more than watching HD videos, like gaming, cuda while staying inexpensive.
    
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Originally Posted by Blameless;15328592 
Given how parallel GPUs are, what would the purpose of multiple "cores", even be if they are part of the same die? What would even distinguish them from how any other GPU is setup?

I thought they already had "multiple cores"? Don't they call them "Execution units"? They have 6-12 right now. That's multiple "cores."

Either way, c'mon Intel, 6 cores with Haswell.
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They're pretty much losing to AMD's fusion where people can do more than watching HD videos, like gaming, cuda while staying inexpensive.

Except GloFlo's yield issues are driving up the price of Llano laptops, not to mention they're quite hard to find to begin with.

At least. That's my take on it. They're certainly not out there at the price the review sites were indicating..
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Originally Posted by Willhemmens;15328818 
Another possible new story could be:

Intel Haswell CPUs could pack multiple fish inside CPU.

The "could" means it's simply a rumour, which are posted in the "Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles" section.

mhhhmm. Fish you say? Sounds tasty. I'll take two, please. smile.gif
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