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It's either all our air cooling or all out WC, no cheap solutions like these cheap liquid coolers. The only time they're nice is when you have a really (and I mean really) small amount of space but have a 120mm opening open.
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As far as memory clearance issues go, there are low profile memory sticks available that eliminate that concern completely.
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post #13 of 54
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Originally Posted by seesee View Post
With the introduction of H100,

I notice most tower air cooler aren't that attractive anymore..

some of the reasons are:

1) They are about the same price(basically if you are willing to spend on high end stuff money is not an issue)

2) High end tower cooler usually have space constrain.

3) High end tower cooler adds a lot of weight on the CPU.

4) If you replace the stock fan on H100 it will perform much quieter and cooler too(Example GT AP-15)

5) Is easier to install a shroud on H100 ( improve performance and noise)

i got your back on this

1 first off in canada, the only price i can find for the SA is 84, and the good noctua one (the two tower one, d14 i believe) is 109 at memexpress, cbit and comp ave ( those are WINNIPEG prices, and i dont really care where you live if they are cheaper, not all situations are the same) my h100 was 95, cheaper then the d14

2 yes they do have space constriction, look at my case for example, according to the fan club for the NZXT phantom, there is aobut 500 people on this site ALONE, which means anyone using a high end air cooler, they cannot fit the side 200mm fan on it, so a sealed unit is perferct, especially with my board, which has thermal armor which more air blowing on it is a good thing, plus the 200mm fan on it is great for general air circulation, which if i had a SA or d14 on it, wouldnt happen

3 yes they do add alot of weight, ok so now a year goes by and your cpu is all warped because of your d14, now your resale is down, the socket is pushed it, driving resale on ur mobo down, meaning you have to lapp it, there goes your warrenty, (and yes, to us who dont make a million a year, these things MATTER)

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4) If you replace the stock fan on H100 it will perform much quieter and cooler too(Example GT AP-15) this is true for pretty much anything that is cooled.

5 i dont even need to have a shroud on mine, MY EXAMPLE, when i installed my 2600k using the stock cooler at a ambient of 19C my idle was 66!!!! then my H100 brought it down to 35 thats half the temp, with no unneeded pressure on my socket or cpu, because i DO WANT TO UPGRADE, and be able to sell my CPU and or mobo if needed or wanted.


there i said my piece, ever option, always as a better setting where it might be more useful then what your thinking, seriously this is technology people stop being so ego minded, OPS situation clearly isnt the same as many of yours, however i am in the same boat as him, just because you value your own opinion, doesnt make it right, or always valid, and im not saying my side is RIGHT, im just saying its MY SIDE.
   
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post #14 of 54
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i got your back on this

1 first off in canada, the only price i can find for the SA is 84, and the good noctua one (the two tower one, d14 i believe) is 109 at memexpress, cbit and comp ave ( those are WINNIPEG prices, and i dont really care where you live if they are cheaper, not all situations are the same) my h100 was 95, cheaper then the d14

2 yes they do have space constriction, look at my case for example, according to the fan club for the NZXT phantom, there is aobut 500 people on this site ALONE, which means anyone using a high end air cooler, they cannot fit the side 200mm fan on it, so a sealed unit is perferct, especially with my board, which has thermal armor which more air blowing on it is a good thing, plus the 200mm fan on it is great for general air circulation, which if i had a SA or d14 on it, wouldnt happen

3 yes they do add alot of weight, ok so now a year goes by and your cpu is all warped because of your d14, now your resale is down, the socket is pushed it, driving resale on ur mobo down, meaning you have to lapp it, there goes your warrenty, (and yes, to us who dont make a million a year, these things MATTER)

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4) If you replace the stock fan on H100 it will perform much quieter and cooler too(Example GT AP-15) this is true for pretty much anything that is cooled.

5 i dont even need to have a shroud on mine, MY EXAMPLE, when i installed my 2600k using the stock cooler at a ambient of 19C my idle was 66!!!! then my H100 brought it down to 35 thats half the temp, with no unneeded pressure on my socket or cpu, because i DO WANT TO UPGRADE, and be able to sell my CPU and or mobo if needed or wanted.


there i said my piece, ever option, always as a better setting where it might be more useful then what your thinking, seriously this is technology people stop being so ego minded, OPS situation clearly isnt the same as many of yours, however i am in the same boat as him, just because you value your own opinion, doesnt make it right, or always valid, and im not saying my side is RIGHT, im just saying its MY SIDE.
sorry but

and your idle 66 with stock cooler is nonsense as well
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post #15 of 54
Death of High End Air Cooler? Not even close. Air coolers can still run as cool and quieter than thees prefilled loops and for ultra quiet operation air win every time. Air is easier to fit and cost less to boot. To truly out perform a highend air cooler you need a true water cooling kit with a big radiator.
    
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post #16 of 54
Have to agree my 2600k oced on stock idles at 32-34c

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High end air is still better and even cheaper than these closed loop prefilled things. So, no.
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post #18 of 54
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Originally Posted by ggoodd View Post
i got your back on this

1 first off in canada, the only price i can find for the SA is 84, and the good noctua one (the two tower one, d14 i believe) is 109 at memexpress, cbit and comp ave ( those are WINNIPEG prices, and i dont really care where you live if they are cheaper, not all situations are the same) my h100 was 95, cheaper then the d14

2 yes they do have space constriction, look at my case for example, according to the fan club for the NZXT phantom, there is aobut 500 people on this site ALONE, which means anyone using a high end air cooler, they cannot fit the side 200mm fan on it, so a sealed unit is perferct, especially with my board, which has thermal armor which more air blowing on it is a good thing, plus the 200mm fan on it is great for general air circulation, which if i had a SA or d14 on it, wouldnt happen

3 yes they do add alot of weight, ok so now a year goes by and your cpu is all warped because of your d14, now your resale is down, the socket is pushed it, driving resale on ur mobo down, meaning you have to lapp it, there goes your warrenty, (and yes, to us who dont make a million a year, these things MATTER)

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4) If you replace the stock fan on H100 it will perform much quieter and cooler too(Example GT AP-15) this is true for pretty much anything that is cooled.

5 i dont even need to have a shroud on mine, MY EXAMPLE, when i installed my 2600k using the stock cooler at a ambient of 19C my idle was 66!!!! then my H100 brought it down to 35 thats half the temp, with no unneeded pressure on my socket or cpu, because i DO WANT TO UPGRADE, and be able to sell my CPU and or mobo if needed or wanted.


there i said my piece, ever option, always as a better setting where it might be more useful then what your thinking, seriously this is technology people stop being so ego minded, OPS situation clearly isnt the same as many of yours, however i am in the same boat as him, just because you value your own opinion, doesnt make it right, or always valid, and im not saying my side is RIGHT, im just saying its MY SIDE.
1) So by default you're bias based on what you own and could afford?

2) You can work around not having the 200mm fan installed. Upgrading the fans in other areas, modding or rigging the side panel to accept a smaller fan that doesn't interfere. All options...

3) well, I thought this too but apperently some mechanical engineers think the mounting system on the NH-D14 is sufficient with modern motherboard and socket tolerances. Again you could always mod/rig an additional bracket or piece of coat hanger or wire to help support the weight.

4) If you replace the fan yes it will run better but that cuts into the cost. You said it was cheaper, if you want to change fans then you have to add that cost in. Not so cheap anymore is it?

5) Stock cooling is never a good example of anything...it holds temps within tolerances but never is it expected to be low temps or even good temps really. I have had a Thermalright Ultra 120 on my system for almost 2 years now and I could pop out the CPU and mobo and they'd be as good as the day I installed them. So...
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1) They are about the same price(basically if you are willing to spend on high end stuff money is not an issue)
H100 competes evenly with high-end air coolers in performance, but is still usually more expensive. It's plug-and-play, low-end watercooling for people that don't want to go through the trouble of custom loops. The H60 looks very nice for tiny cases, but otherwise...

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2) High end tower cooler usually have space constrain.
H100 still has to fit the radiator somewhere. Moot point.

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3) High end tower cooler adds a lot of weight on the CPU.
Nonissue until proven otherwise.

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4) If you replace the stock fan on H100 it will perform much quieter and cooler too(Example GT AP-15)
But it still can't compete with the D14 or Silver Arrow for noise-to-cooling. The H100 is louder, period.

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5) Is easier to install a shroud on H100 ( improve performance and noise)
We just saw a new topic yesterday or the day before about someone ducting air from an intake to the CPU cooler with almost no effort. This isn't a trait unique to the H100.
    
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air coolers will never die. there are some serious bang for buck air coolers out there. if you're gonna pop for an h100, for just a few dollars more you can TRULY watercool your cpu and make that h100 look silly. besides, most gamers use a mid tower case anyway. this post is way off base.
This. With Ivy bringing 77w TDP to the game Even mid-range air coolers should be able to handle some monster oc's on those things.

If I'm wrong correct me, please. But Ivy seems to be looking pretty sweet as of now.
 
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