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Wish they would make their current engine not suck extreme balls with alt tabbing. Thats the one thing I wish they would do.
    
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If you like alt tabbing it doesn't get much better than Relic's Essence engine. The alt tabbing is smooth and the music gently fades out.
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Yeah Gmod can get messed up sometimes tabbing and depending on the game I could have to wait a while to play after getting back in the server if I must restart.
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Only reason IMHO they need a new engine is to support and take advantage of DX10, 11, tessellation, etc. If they can do that without completely re-writing the engine, I'm OK w/ that.
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I think we can all agree that we are a minority. And Valve, while being a bold company, knows we are in a difficult economic climate.

Furthermore, they know, better than us all, what the trends are, after all they have all the data from the Hardware Survey and they know what each customer with a given build spends in games. They also know that the two card series at the top are still the 9800 and 8800 series. Those are more or less twice as powerful as the GPU in the PS3, which, in terms of visual improvement for the same performance level, doesn't add to something that could be described as spectacularly much better, and certainly does not have much horsepower to run a game in DX10 mode, so the incentive to move away from DX9 onto DX10 and then DX11 has to be carefully planned.

I do appreciate when bold developers and publishers release games such as Just Cause 2 that do not run under Windows XP, because someone has to start the trend, but the fact is many people who game on their spare time on their PC have other financial priorities right now. This is just a reality check, and it's just to say that change will happen, it's only going a bit slower this time around.
 
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Have you seen what the souce engine can produce? It's amazing considering it takes so little to run.
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I personally don't care about the engine itself, I find it nice. However, what really frustrates me is when game reviewing sites put a low rating in terms of graphics because the engine is old...
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Hmm.. Im kind of excited to see what Valve will do with Source Engine 2.

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I would prefer to see Valve and gaming developers move away from DX9 and time to materialize DX11, its 2011, not 2004, they are the ones holding back the gaming industry, and its a shame that not a lot of games are taking advantage of PC hardware today.
For like the 40 millionth time, there is an OBVIOUS financial reason why Valve and other devs don't build around Dx11

1. 5-7% of PC gamers, which are around 1/3rd of all gamers, can use Dx 11. Of those 5%-7%, probably less than half of them can run a game that takes full use of Dx 11. So of the entire PC/Console game buying public, Dx 11 users are about 1%. An extra couple million to appease the 1% is a bit much right now.

2. Many people are out of a job and could care less about upgrading their GPU. Game makers are having a tough enough time just selling games, let alone trying to require their customer base to upgrade to play said game.

3. When someone comes out with a wonderful graphics game ( Crysis, Metro 2033, Crysis 2 post patch ), the vast majority of the graphics they're attributing to a new Dx version is actually the product of Dx 9

4. Any dev that makes a new engine right now w/o figuring out what programming on the new consoles will be like is a tard. I'd imagine that $20-$50 million will be spent per engine making new engines for the next gen stuff. If they make something early for PC now and have to fix it later for Ps4/720, then it will be millions in future delays.



So yeah we're in a holding pattern right now. Be happy that your current purchases are lasting much longer than they should.
    
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Its funny how people on this site rip COD apart for this very reason, yet valve is allowed a free pass. While the source engine has aged well, it does look obsolete compared to newer engines today.
the difference, is that every cod game after 4 is the same.

each game with source engine is a different product (ignoring css vs go)
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