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vs

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I don't think that's true sorry

Hahaha, pick and choose much? Of course if you show an older game it'll look older.

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Originally Posted by Brutuz;15351276 
Hahaha, pick and choose much? Of course if you show an older game it'll look older.

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Well considering I'm showing 2 character models in comparison while your showing a room :/
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Well considering I'm showing 2 character models in comparison while your showing a room :/
http://www.gamersdailynews.com/images/reviews/portal2/portal2-chell.jpg

Poor excuse is poor, especially considering the MW2 guy (While having a semi-realistic facial area) has bad textures on his arms, and no doubt hasn't got one fifth of the animation quality of the average Source character.
    
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Originally Posted by Brutuz;15351372 
http://www.gamersdailynews.com/images/reviews/portal2/portal2-chell.jpg

Poor excuse is poor, especially considering the MW2 guy (While having a semi-realistic facial area) has bad textures on his arms, and no doubt hasn't got one fifth of the animation quality of the average Source character.

Modern-Warfare-3-Ghost.png

?? Not only does your model look cartoony the only thing good is the wall textures which when you get up close are no where near that good. Also her shirt is actually drawn onto her unlike ghost here.
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I have not played a Valve in house game since 2004 which of course was HL2 and CC:S. Sure those titles are fun but I always want more from my developers, I always want them to really capture my imagination, and in most cases thats through visualization. And to me Valve makes games that have the same visual quality of todays consoles, I didn't start to build my own pcs to play games that looked like console games. I wanted( and still do ) the best visual experience that money could buy.

Gameplay comes second for me because theres only so many ways to play a shooter or an rpg or rts. Everything has been done gameplay wise it seems. It seems I only open my wallet for games that offer that eyecandy that 90% of the market isn't offering because they know most pc gamers have bad computers who cant run these beautiful engines.

I miss the days of trying to get more performance out of my rig to get playable framerates, but now developers like Bioware spend over one-hundred million dollars on a project that has the same visual caliber of World of Warcraft.

I know it's all about what makes the most money for these companies, soon gone are the days of a developer making something truly inspirational or making an engine that could scale up overtime.
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Originally Posted by sausageson;15331487 
I have played all those games on my 260 just fine, you do not need a gtx480, I find it ridiculous your judging me for making assumptions about you based on your graphics card when you fully made assumptions about that other guy for having a crysis avatar.

Look at his response.
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lol thanks biggrin.gif
ridiculous how these valve fanboys make fun of my avatar lol. probably jealous that their source games don't look 1/2 as good

See. There it is. No one cares about looks. Truth be told, I haven't found a game I am more fond of graphically than Team Fortress 2, at an appropriate frame rate. I like Valve games more then any other games. Why? The offer the most across the board in terms of replay-ability, robust design, and overall amazing gaming experience.

Further more, the reason why people say bad things about COD has been stated over and over again; same engine same gameplay. At least with Quake, id tech released a new engine with new graphical features etc. Valve has a zombie survival game, a first person puzzle game, a class based objective shooter, and a single player shooter with one of the best storylines of a single player shooter. I have yet to have any of these games give me a hard time in terms of performance/day 1 issues.

Games like Crysis are just benchmarks. Poor story, very unoptimized code ( Crysis 2 Dx11 patch-tessellated-water-under-the-map) and generally are an eyegasm for people who spend a lot on computer hardware. There not games.

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I like to support developers that are brave enough to use new technology to move the industry forward. that is why i paid full price for Battlefield 3 (they completely ditched xp and dx9). I do not buy games that use old technology at full price; the lazy devs simply do not deserve the full amount. i usually wait for sales if those games are worth considering (portal 2 got for $15 instead of $50)


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yea well that's why we're still stuck with windows xp, 8800 GT, xbox 360s, ps3s, and lazy developers not wanting to invest in anything (such as the people who developed cod) to move gamng forward.

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Modern-Warfare-3-Ghost.png

?? Not only does your model look cartoony the only thing good is the wall textures which when you get up close are no where near that good. Also her shirt is actually drawn onto her unlike ghost here.

His sunglasses look like they're entirely made of glass, not just the actual lens', the textures are absolute crap and you're not even comparing graphical quality, just art style.
    
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His sunglasses look like they're entirely made of glass, not just the actual lens', the textures are absolute crap and you're not even comparing graphical quality, just art style.

More then likely a pre-rendered cut scene.
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That too, and the world behind him looks like its made of plastic...
    
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So since the customer doesn't care then valve shouldn't worry about upgrading the source engine then?

The only reason to consider upgrading the Source Engine soon is if Valve anticipates that customers in the near future will have a need for those upgrades. It's a business, they make games they think people will want, the only reason to do an upgrade is if they think it will help them create a better product. And by "better" I don't mean with improved graphics or any fancy new tech, by "better" I mean a game the customer will like more. OCN is the minority, what we think of as "better" a lot of people don't think twice about.
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Originally Posted by Banzai¥;15349054 
Except for the growing games that are DX10/11 required with no DX9 support on PC.

Those games target a different set of customers then. For example the game I'm currently working on has a target of an NVidia 5700, or an Intel Integrated GMA 950. About 50% of our customers have something even worse than those targets. How frustrating do you think it is having to target 8 year old hardware and still have customers that can't run the game at those specs? And that is why developers are generally in no rush to use the latest and greatest hardware out there, they're targeting older hardware so that most people can actually play their games.
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