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Hi

I have the TTesports Black Element which I thought had the Phillips Twin-Eye PLN 2302 since it offers 6500DPI (interpolation?) and since it's brother, the TTesports Black, has the Twin-Eye PLN 2301.
(Info taken from this post: http://www.overclock.net/mice/854100...ce-thread.html where the black element is still missing)

On the photos I've seen, the Phillips Twin Eye looks like one yellow lens while the Avago 9500 on my G500 has 2 small lenses one of them slightly blue (just like the TTesports Black Element).
Here I show some photos of known sensors to discover the true nature of the Black Element.

Known Avago 9500 mice:

Ozone Smog


Alienware TactX


Roccat kone [+]



Known Phillips Twin-Eye PLN 230x

Cyborg R.A.T.


CM Storm



TTesports Black



Razer Imperator and Naga



Known PixArt PAW3305DK-H mice:

Roccat Kova [+]


Known Cypress Ovation

Nova Slider X600



And the misterious sensor in the TTesports Black Element


What sensor do you think it is ? I vote for an Avago 9500 interpolated to 6500DPI.
I really haven't felt this z-axis issue with the TTesports Black Element in fact it jitters even less than my G500 (maybe because the G500 doesn't have the sensor in the middle).
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open it up and find out for sure?
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post #3 of 14
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Originally Posted by TranquilTempest View Post
open it up and find out for sure?
Not particularly easy, I already wanted to do so but I don't know how to disasemble this mouse.
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Pick up the mouse and put it down repeatedly. Does the cursor move to the bottom right? If so, PTE sensor. It's replicable across the known mice with the PTE sensor in it. Otherwise, I'm not sure whether the 9500 would or could be interpolated that high without some impressive MCU. Heck, the sensei could only do it by doubling up on DPI.
Edited by end0rphine - 10/16/11 at 10:50pm
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Pick up the mouse and put it down repeatedly. Does the cursor move to the bottom right? If so, PTE sensor. It's replicable across the known mice with the PTE sensor in it. Otherwise, I'm not sure whether the 9500 would or could be interpolated that high without some impressive MCU. Heck, the sensei could only do it by doubling up on DPI.
As said before, the cursor moves even less than the G500 when lifted, it shows a natural jitter like every sensor I guess, and it doesn't particularly move right bottom. I read that the Cyborg R.A.T. 9 had this PTE sensor issue corrected anyway...

By the way, if Logitech interpolated the 9500 sensor from 5040 to 5700 (weird ?) why wouldn't Thermaltake use a similar gimmick for this one... I'd be adventurous enough to say that both are capable of double DPI like the Sensei but it was decided that such high interpolated DPI would jeopardize the precision more than it would help so they got capped in a marketing friendly number to compete with te PTE.
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"The Black Element features a Philips twin-eye 6500 DPI laser engine with multi-level resolution adjustment between 100 DPI and 6500 DPI"
http://usa.ttesports.com/press/Press...spx?s=22&cid=2

So its the PNS2302
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If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

It has the characteristic rounded rectangle opening and I'm not sure what else it could be. To be sure, you could do some form of acceleration test, a 9500 will show some acceleration.

You might be able to cut down on your G500's jitter with a firmware upgrade.

Edit: Oh. Should have known better than to post that after leaving it sit there for so long.
    
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Originally Posted by HaiiYaa View Post
"The Black Element features a Philips twin-eye 6500 DPI laser engine with multi-level resolution adjustment between 100 DPI and 6500 DPI"
http://usa.ttesports.com/press/Press...spx?s=22&cid=2

So its the PNS2302
That´s just weird since the sensor at the bottom of the Black Element doesn´t look like the yellow phillips lens, I´m thinking about asking tt support directly.
It would be a delight to have a mouse with the PNS2302 without the Z-axis issue since the sensor itself tracks better and has less (or none) acceleration compared to the Avago 9500.

Quote:
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

It has the characteristic rounded rectangle opening and I'm not sure what else it could be. To be sure, you could do some form of acceleration test, a 9500 will show some acceleration.

You might be able to cut down on your G500's jitter with a firmware upgrade.

Edit: Oh. Should have known better than to post that after leaving it sit there for so long.
What´s the newest firmware ? I bought my G500 about 2 weeks ago so it might have come with the latest firmware already. Anyway the cursor with the G500 only moves when I lift the mouse and it moves a little bit more than the Ttesports when also lifted. I think that´s just because the G500 is much heavier and has a prolapsed sensor to the front so is dificult to lift it without a few degrees tilt.

I don´t think I can test acceleration without a controlled speed rotating disc... I use relatively high sens (4000DPI) so it´s not like I can notice a 5% acceleration when moving at 2 m/s speed.
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Well, it's worth taking a look at. Not that the update is for the G9x but according to the post is also be compatible with the G500. The two mice have the same electronic features so they might actually be the same internally.
    
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