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New question: Which is more important to a video card for gaming: Shader cores, or more RAM?

I'm looking at two video cards right now. An MSI GTX460, and a Zotac GTX460. It's a $40 difference, but I'll let you see the specs to compare:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814500182
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127518

As you can see, the Zotac lacks behind just slightly on the core clock and the shader clock, but has double the RAM. Will double the RAM increase the performance more than what I would lose off the shader clocks? Is it worth paying the $40 extra? I would think that the memory interface, only being 256-bit, would cap the efficiency of the RAM, since most of the cards I see with 2GB RAM also have a 512-bit interface.
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New question: Which is more important to a video card for gaming: Shader cores, or more RAM?

I'm looking at two video cards right now. An MSI GTX460, and a Zotac GTX460. It's a $40 difference, but I'll let you see the specs to compare:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814500182
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127518

As you can see, the Zotac lacks behind just slightly on the core clock and the shader clock, but has double the RAM. Will double the RAM increase the performance more than what I would lose off the shader clocks? Is it worth paying the $40 extra? I would think that the memory interface, only being 256-bit, would cap the efficiency of the RAM, since most of the cards I see with 2GB RAM also have a 512-bit interface.
Both cards are of same GPU generation of Fermi and have identical specs. The difference is the VRAM size and the factory clocks. You can match up the clocks by overclocking but no way to add more RAM on the 1GB card. It depends, higher resolution with higher IQ settings the 2GB is definitely the one to get. If you don't mind with lower settings then $40 saving is woth it and boils down to personal preferences.

The 2GB Zotac also has DisplayPort, if it matters to you at all.


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@Derick

Is that you in the avatar?

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Edited by Ken1649 - 10/26/11 at 7:24am
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Well, my screen res is only going up to 1600 x 900 (I have a great LED-LCD monitor, that's the max res, and I don't plan on buying another one till this one dies). I'm just wondering how much that extra 1GB of RAM will go. I mostly play a lot of RPGs, which tend to have really high-res textures, so I imagine the extra RAM will help.

Honestly, I have no idea what to go for. I'm just super indecisive. I don't even know if I want to spend a whole $200 on a video card. I'm just trying to get a good idea of where everything sits so I can make a better choice of exactly what to get.
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Well, my screen res is only going up to 1600 x 900 (I have a great LED-LCD monitor, that's the max res, and I don't plan on buying another one till this one dies). I'm just wondering how much that extra 1GB of RAM will go. I mostly play a lot of RPGs, which tend to have really high-res textures, so I imagine the extra RAM will help.

Honestly, I have no idea what to go for. I'm just super indecisive. I don't even know if I want to spend a whole $200 on a video card. I'm just trying to get a good idea of where everything sits so I can make a better choice of exactly what to get.
From 5770 to GTX460? It's kinda side-grade for your resolution. Take a look a this review:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-460-review/21

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...review-test/18
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Umm... no it's not. Both links you provided show that the 5770 1GB gets completely OWNED by the GTX 460 1GB...

I think you were looking at the 5770's in Crossfire mode, which I don't. I only have one card. Ergo, direct upgrade.
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Umm... no it's not. Both links you provided show that the 5770 1GB gets completely OWNED by the GTX 460 1GB...

I think you were looking at the 5770's in Crossfire mode, which I don't. I only have one card. Ergo, direct upgrade.
It's only a 20% performance increase in most cases and the GTX 460 doesn't really make games much more playable (most of the tests show a 5-10 FPS difference) which by my standards would be a sidegrade. Do the math yourself. Crysis gets only ~30% and FC2 is the only to improve by close to 50%. Don't know about you, but last time I upgraded, I got a 300% increase in performance. Far Cry 2 is also famously fast on NVIDIA cards, so it's not representative of the actual performance. It's only relevant if you play FC2 a lot.
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It's only a 20% performance increase in most cases and the GTX 460 doesn't really make games much more playable (most of the tests show a 5-10 FPS difference) which by my standards would be a sidegrade. Do the math yourself. Crysis gets only ~30% and FC2 is the only to improve by close to 50%. Don't know about you, but last time I upgraded, I got a 300% increase in performance. Far Cry 2 is also famously fast on NVIDIA cards, so it's not representative of the actual performance. It's only relevant if you play FC2 a lot.
I think a 20% - 30% performance boost is a rather good upgrade. That tends to be what the standard upgrade pattern is, isn't it? Every year we get a new graphics card line, and it shows a rather small performance boost over last years'. I expect few people are waiting until their card is so defunct that a 300% boost (at the same price point) is an expected result.

The card I'm replacing I bought 6 months ago for $200. I plan on replacing it with (at the very least) a card that costs $160, and has a 30% - 100% (I checked ALL the game benchmarks that both card reviews shared) performance increase. That's only the 1GB card. If I switch to the 2GB card at the $200 price point, I imagine the gains are going to be even more.

If you're trying to roll this off as a "sidegrade", you're going to have to do better than that to prove it. Way better.
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I think a 20% - 30% performance boost is a rather good upgrade. That tends to be what the standard upgrade pattern is, isn't it? Every year we get a new graphics card line, and it shows a rather small performance boost over last years'. I expect few people are waiting until their card is so defunct that a 300% boost (at the same price point) is an expected result.

The card I'm replacing I bought 6 months ago for $200. I plan on replacing it with (at the very least) a card that costs $160, and has a 30% - 100% (I checked ALL the game benchmarks that both card reviews shared) performance increase. That's only the 1GB card. If I switch to the 2GB card at the $200 price point, I imagine the gains are going to be even more.

If you're trying to roll this off as a "sidegrade", you're going to have to do better than that to prove it. Way better.
Well, you said it wasn't a sidegrade and most would think of it as just that. And yes, a generation generally performs about 30% better than the former. Which is why people don't upgrade. Go find threads about new graphics cards. In every single one, some people say that the small increase isn't worth it. If they wait a generation more and they'll see an 80% increase over what they have ATM. It's a helluva lot easier to see the difference between 60 and 110 FPS than 60 and 78.
And do you really think paying $160 extra (landing you at $360 total) is worth it for 30%? Put another HD 5770 in there for $100 and get 80% more perf. THAT is a real upgrade. CF'd HD 5770's perform like an HD 5870 and that card walks all over the GTX 460's.

And 2 GB won't benefit you. That's a 1600x900 monitor. People still argue over whether 1 GB is enough for 1920x1080 (it isn't though), so I think most will agree that 1600x900 will not benefit. Not with such a weak GPU anyway. A GTX 580 would probably benefit even at that res, but you're not even close with a GTX 460.
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...now THAT, my good man, is actually a decent suggestion. Rather than just saying "Dude, your idea sucks", following it up with a, "Here's a better idea!" is actually USEFUL. Thank you. I'll actually looking to Crossfiring my GPU now.

...and I also have to see if my board does Crossfire. I think it does, but there's always the chance it's an AMD chip that does SLI (it has happened before).
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