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I'm disappointed with the FX-8150. I'm more of an Intel/NVIDIA person, but I was expecting more from the BD architecture. I was really expecting the BD architecture to challenge some of Intel's Core i7 CPUs.

I understand the price drop, and it's well thought, but they really messed up. Total disappointment.
 
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This was all I needed to read;

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Naturally, this is because of how disappointing the performance of this 8-core processor turned out to be in benchmarks, compared to Intel's Core i5-2500K.
All the BD hype, down the drain.

And I fully agree with Phantom123. AMD is trying to take a bite into mainstream chips, while Intel has already had that spot + the high-end spot. AMD is still playing catch up, a year or two behind Intel.

Honestly it comes down to what you pay for... you go cheap, you get AMD... you go a little pricey and get much better results with Intel...

and no that dont apply to just Intel vs AMD. thats common sense and been around for ages.... it just shows here.

Looks like me holding off for BD was just a waste of time like all my friends said it would be... time to newegg shop!
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BYE BYE AMD hello Intel
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Originally Posted by pepejovi View Post
Hasn't the 8150 been performing the same as the 2500k, or near it in the gaming benchmarks? Then wouldn't the 8150 be a better choice for the future, taking account that games will start supporting more cores?
Oh please not this again.

The EXACT same thing was said when quad cores came out, still nowehere near being properly utilized in games.

Not to mention the whole ordeal with AMD 64bit (which i confess, i bought, and guess what, i never ran a 64bit OS with it beacause there was no point!).

No, BD just sucks, lets hope Pile Driver will make the improvements we expect.

All i want is 15% performance over denab. thats not too much to ask for is it?
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some analysts even saying that the Sunnyvale, California-based company could become irrelevant
Some analysts must not know that AMD sells GPU's.
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Originally Posted by kilrbe3 View Post
This was all I needed to read;



All the BD hype, down the drain.

And I fully agree with Phantom123. AMD is trying to take a bite into mainstream chips, while Intel has already had that spot + the high-end spot. AMD is still playing catch up, a year or two behind Intel.

Honestly it comes down to what you pay for... you go cheap, you get AMD... you go a little pricey and get much better results with Intel...

and no that dont apply to just Intel vs AMD. thats common sense and been around for ages.... it just shows here.

Looks like me holding off for BD was just a waste of time like all my friends said it would be... time to newegg shop!
So when it's Intel vs. Intel it's not a failure...But, when it's Intel vs. AMD, it's a failure?

The E8400 and the Q6600 are the perfect example.

The quad came in UNDER the dual core...Clock for clock it was slower and if you google it, 3/4 of you hailed the quad as an AMAZING CORE but, not good for gaming.

Now we have the SAME EXACT situation, an Octo compared to a Hexi/Quad and it's not as fast but, you all view it as a failure because it failed clock for clock in comparison to the Intel core that you all hailed as a titan.

I don't understand the issue here.

8 cores is an advance in tech...Regardless of it's clock for clock performance it should be held to the same exact standards you all held Intel to several years ago.

Is it a core for core advancement? No...Is it an OVERALL breakthrough? Yes.

See it for what it is...Not what you wanted it to be...
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They're not cutting prices, retailers are stopping the price gouging.

Big difference here.

AMD said it was releasing the 8150 for $250

http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...-price-bd.html

retailers have just been charging more because of supply & demand. now that they see demand has gone down they aren't price gouging anymore.

has nothing to do w/ AMD.

http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...-price-bd.html
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The most powerful of the new chips, the FX-8150, will retail for $245 while the FX-8120 and FX-6100 will sell for $205 and $175 respectively.
it's even more at newegg right now. $35 more than they announced.
    
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LOL at all the people taking offense about BD, especially the hardcore Intel people, they are by far the most vocal in just about any thread that mentions AMD and BD.

You people need to look at the big picture here... BD has been in the planning stages for years... now lets go back over those years and see what happened... We got 64 bit CPU, Dual cores, quad cores, clock speeds slowly going up, but threading seemed like it was moving faster... and both Intel and AMD had 6 cores planned... So what seemed like the logical move?

Threading likely seemed like the easiest way to gain performance, and it appeared the market was moving there, slowly but steadily... Now had this picked up a little and multithreading was a much more mainstream thing for common programs, we'd all be looking at a completely different outlook...

Like everyone can agree upon, the benches show the FX line tank in single thread/low thread compared to expectations... but multithreaded it surpasses the 2500K and even competes with the 2600K at times (and the odd time beat it) which is amazing for AMD considering how things were looking if you removed BD from the picture and were left comparing SB to a Phenom II.

I don't think AMD truly failed, I think BD is an architecture thats very complex, needed some extra time because of this, likely should not have been the choice for moving to 32nm for the first time and was simply ahead of its time... I feel AMD would have benefited more from a Phenom II die shrink aka Phenom III with a few more tweaks to increase performance and efficiency, and then take the knowledge gained from working on 32nm to THEN try a new radical arch... similar to Intels Tick Tock. Also, choosing an automated design where they knew that previous attempts netted approx 20% larger dies with 20% less performance or something like that seems to have been a terrible choice... and I get the feeling it came from upstairs, not the engineers.

If benchmarks are any indication, if threading had become more used and mainstream, we would be looking at a completely different situation... but sadly for us, its not.

Not trying to justify anything, just stating an alternative perspective.... just an unsubstantiated thought that popped into my mind when reading. No need to get offended and pick it apart, though I bet someone who just needs to talk down about BD will, because its a hobby for some on OCN...

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Heres hoping AMD fixes some of the issues and comes back strong. The BD architecture has some potential, I think we can all agree, perhaps they will go back to "hand crafting" important parts of the CPU again and never try this automated crap again...
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So when it's Intel vs. Intel it's not a failure...But, when it's Intel vs. AMD, it's a failure?

The E8400 and the Q6600 are the perfect example.

The quad came in UNDER the dual core...Clock for clock it was slower and if you google it, 3/4 of you hailed the quad as an AMAZING CORE but, not good for gaming.

Now we have the SAME EXACT situation, an Octo compared to a Hexi/Quad and it's not as fast but, you all view it as a failure because it failed clock for clock in comparison to the Intel core that you all hailed as a titan.

I don't understand the issue here.

8 cores is an advance in tech...Regardless of it's clock for clock performance it should be held to the same exact standards you all held Intel to several years ago.

Is it a core for core advancement? No...Is it an OVERALL breakthrough? Yes.

See it for what it is...Not what you wanted it to be...
But its not, thats the point I think your missing. IF this was a Intel vs Intel discussion then same would apply. e84 vs q66 is a fair and I agree with you. But this was years ago when games were made with Dual Core in mind, reason why e84 at 4.0Ghz was king for a very long time, till GAMES started using Quads more and more apps and than quads got noticed.

Yea sure, AMD has 8 cores now, but most games NEW still dont fully use our quads. So in my mind, its still a failure. As they are already working on PileDriver.

Quad that works vs 8 cores that suck and not fully used... which are you gonna buy with your hard earn money? Again, is this not a AMD vs Intel flame war, im not starting one or taking sides. But when facts show AMD is still behind Intel since I switched back in 2005 to Intel, AMD has not once taken the high road and proven to me why I should buy their CPU. GPU, different story.

Its not about clock vs clock my friend....

Bulldozer might be a groundbreaking project, but its not ready nor fully used, and with them already having piledriver for next year, probably means they fixed BD with Piledriver, so whats the point of getting a BD at this stage..... there is none
Edited by kilrbe3 - 10/17/11 at 6:23am
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Unacceptable?

They are a company, they do what they can to make money, people in the community started talking to each other saying this and that about BD will dominate, they took advantage of the unoffical hype that people made up and put it to good use.
While I agree that AMD took advantage of unofficial hype they also propagated it with what appears to me atleast to be deliberate intent by not releasing any info as BD performance under the guise of not informing the competition. I also have a problem with the fact that if a company will play its standout custumers like this will it really be reliable with any issues that crop up with its products? This is why I am considering changing to Intel.
Hype is one thing, lying to your customers by omission or commision, is another. JMHO
    
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