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Coming back to PC building lately I've noticed something I don't quite understand or maybe need more clarification. Former RAM, GPU, case, etc makers now have near top of the line power supplies. I read a nice little write up over on Tom's about who makes these PSU's. I was surprised to find out who really makes the internals. Several years ago there weren't many choices for mid range offerings. You bought PC power and cooling or Seasonic for the top of the line and everything else fell near the middle or bottom. Seasonic and PPC PSU's are still expensive and extremely realiable so nothing has changed there. The mid range i.e. XFX, Antec, Corsair all have mainly Seasonic internals yet their branded Seasonic counterparts are much more expensive. I guess I could understand the power supplies included in with cases being re-branded to the case makers brand.

Is this like a generic vs. name brand deal where these companies get the less quality products to sell under their own brand ? Is this merely aesthetics differentiating them ? Just a question I had been pondering.

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Its definitely a name game, its all about warranty, and they are all slightly different too.

Seasonic have a really good warranty (i have found) as have corsair, so they are definitely two names to really pay attention too, that is as much as i know about PSU's so thats all i can say, hope it was helpful!
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XFX, Antec, Corsair all have mainly Seasonic internals yet their branded Seasonic counterparts are much more expensive
Yeh, Seasonic still have the none moduar 80+ Bronze PSUs that are "mid range" that are the same as the TXs and XFX XXXs.

The Seasonic GOLDs are the same as the Corsair AXs.

As for Buying..
As long as you still to Tator Tots list you should be ok, there are a few I dont like but thats just me.
Edited by andrewmchugh - 10/17/11 at 12:48pm
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Rebrands often take the original price of the PSU and expand upon it. In Corsair's sense, PSUs like the AX series tack on black cables with nice black sleeving, which adds a good amount to the cost, but there are others like XFX which rebrand, and are often cheaper than the original OEM's flavor, usually by means of modularity.

Brand names do play into it, though.
 
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post #5 of 18
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Originally Posted by andrewmchugh View Post
Yeh, Seasonic still have the none moduar 80+ Bronze PSUs that are "mid range" that are the same as the TXs and XFX XXXs.

The Seasonic GOLDs are the same as the Corsair AXs.

As for Buying..
As long as you still to Tator Tots list you should be ok, there are a few I dont like but thats just me.
Completely makes sense. I guess for the longest time I didn't know that. Kind of like the same platform on a car i.e. Chevy, GMC, Caddy having common internals but different additions, customer service, warranty.
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post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by hednik View Post
Is this like a generic vs. name brand deal where these companies get the less quality products to sell under their own brand ? Is this merely aesthetics differentiating them ? Just a question I had been pondering.

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Nope, the PCP&C units you have mentioned were never build by PCP&C.. Seasonic as well as some of the other major OEMs have a retail branch too, but the bulk of their business is OEM/ODM work with various partners around the globe, sometimes the OEM units they sell are toned down versions of what their retail branch has on offer, sometimes is the other way around.. this major brands like Antec, PCP&C, etc have their own engineers who request various features from this OEMs who are not found on the original products and they tend to heavily differentiate the rebranded unit from the original OEM platform used.

There are many good OEMs as there are poor OEMs, and even the best of them sooner or later make trash for trash gets sold in vastly larger quantities than the high ends, and generate superior revenue.

Read this post for some of the best units available in NA at the moment.
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Nope, the PCP&C units you have mentioned were never build by PCP&C.. Seasonic as well as some of the other major OEMs have a retail branch too, but the bulk of their business is OEM/ODM work with various partners around the globe, sometimes the OEM units they sell are toned down versions of what their retail branch has on offer, sometimes is the other way around.. this major brands like Antec, PCP&C, etc have their own engineers who request various features from this OEMs who are not found on the original products and they tend to heavily differentiate the rebranded unit from the original OEM platform used.

There are many good OEMs as there are poor OEMs, and even the best of them sooner or later make trash for trash gets sold in vastly larger quantities than the high ends, and generate superior revenue.

Read this post for some of the best units available in NA at the moment.
That being said would buying a PSU from a member here be a bad idea ? Working on a build for my son for x-mad time and trying to cuts costs but dont want to skimp on a PSU in terms of quality but not sure if I can swing it.
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That being said would buying a PSU from a member here be a bad idea ? Working on a build for my son for x-mad time and trying to cuts costs but dont want to skimp on a PSU in terms of quality but not sure if I can swing it.
Depends on the PSU, the price and the member ofc

There are many solid units selling for little money at the moment, I would prefer a written warranty from a manufacturer of retailer to anything a forum member can offer in that regard, but that's just me.
What's your psu budged, your build and where are you buying from?
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Depends on the PSU, the price and the member ofc

There are many solid units selling for little money at the moment, I would prefer a written warranty from a manufacturer of retailer to anything a forum member can offer in that regard, but that's just me.
What's your psu budged, your build and where are you buying from?
It's all still in the works as of now. It's nothing big. It's basically me getting a GPU, PSU, and new case for him. He wants to play RA 4 and SC II. I'll be using stuff that all 3-4 years old tech wise. Thinking a 4850 or gtx 260 core 216 off here for $50 and then a newer case. I have a rosewill case with a lousy400w PSU. Trying to make my budget stretch haha.
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post #10 of 18
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It's all still in the works as of now. It's nothing big. It's basically me getting a GPU, PSU, and new case for him. He wants to play RA 4 and SC II. I'll be using stuff that all 3-4 years old tech wise. Thinking a 4850 or gtx 260 core 216 off here for $50 and then a newer case. I have a rosewill case with a lousy400w PSU. Trying to make my budget stretch haha.
400W would be plenty for a 4850 or 260, what Rosewill case in particular?
Also, talk to Tator Tot and Phaedrus, they might have some solid, low output units for sale.
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