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What is max IOPS exactly?
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I'm going to quote my post in the other thread. Even if the BSOD issues are fixed, the Vertex 3 still shouldn't be on anyone's radar unless they like spending more money for a slower product.

"The Cruical M4s still provide much better 4k writes/reads, which is what you want.. and at a much cheaper price. ~100MB/s faster max writes/reads during large transfers doesn't matter much when you are already getting 400+ MB/s.

It would be nice if they'd fix the issue, but i'm still getting a Corsair M4 over a Vertex3 - even if they were the same price."

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What Dave says is 110% true.

Unless you run a benchmark, none of us would be able to tell if we were using an M4 or a Vertex 3.

Now if Sandforce has really and truly figured this out, we'll all be able to enjoy our Sata 3 ssd's regardless of builder.
Your wallet will tell the difference, since the Vertex 3 is an inferior product for more money. ~4K writes are all that matter when your talking 400MB+ a second sustained transfer speeds already.

To put bluntly, anyone who buys a Vertex 3 over a M4 either got a sweet deal on their Vertex 3, or needs to do some research on SSDs and what makes 99% of applications faster. It's not having 500MB/s sustained writes/reads.
Edited by Murlocke - 10/18/11 at 7:09am
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What is max IOPS exactly?
Max IOPS: uses toggle mode NAND
Vertex 3: uses sync NAND (i think)
Agility 3: uses async NAND

toggle mode NAND is the newest and fastest
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What Dave says is 110% true.

Unless you run a benchmark, none of us would be able to tell if we were using an M4 or a Vertex 3.

Now if Sandforce has really and truly figured this out, we'll all be able to enjoy our Sata 3 ssd's regardless of builder.
Just curious, are you testing both drives on the intel controller? Or did you throw your vertex 3 on the marvell controller? Also if you don't mind doing another round of tests, try disabling C3/C6 in your BIOS. I know thats weird but it somehow interacts with SSD performance.

Just wondering.

My tests show the V3 MIOPS faster across the board when both are tested on the intel controller. As far as i'm concerned the marvell controller is junk. (performs much worse). Apologies about the mud flinging earlier, I think both drives are excellent....really can't go wrong with the m4. Hopefully all SF drives can put the BSOD issue to rest, that will benefit the entire enthusiast community.
Edited by xoleras - 10/18/11 at 7:06am
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Why? The M4 with update 009 is still the faster everyday drive than even the top dog max iops. 4k, not sequential, wins the battles.
What reviews have you been reading? If it's really that much better then it would be worth it to buy M4s since they are a lot cheaper if memory serves.
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Max IOPS: uses toggle mode NAND
Vertex 3: uses sync NAND (i think)
Agility 3: uses async NAND

toggle mode NAND is the newest and fastest
Yes but what does it actually do having higher IOPS?
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Just curious, are you testing both drives on the intel controller? Or did you throw your vertex 3 on the marvell controller? Also if you don't mind doing another round of tests, try disabling C3/C6 in your BIOS. I know thats weird but it somehow interacts with SSD performance.
Both drives are connected to the native Sata 6gb/s ports. I run my machine with speedstep on and all c-states disabled. The Marvell port on my board is disabled in bios because it's useless really.

Two years ago when I was running a c300 on a p55 Gigabyte on the Marvell, C states did effect transfer rates. I used to use the Gigabyte program for a mild overclock and when I did, the drive performs better in as-ssd.

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My tests show the V3 MIOPS faster across the board when both are tested on the intel controller. As far as i'm concerned the marvell controller is junk. (performs much worse). Apologies about the mud flinging earlier, I think both drives are excellent....really can't go wrong with the m4. Hopefully all SF drives can put the BSOD issue to rest, that will benefit the entire enthusiast community.
If you're running firmware 009, you should be getting similar numbers to mine. My score is pretty average according to the m4 009 update thread here.

My apologies as well. I hate the word fanboy and tend to overreact a little when someone uses it referring to me. It can be hard to distinguish around here who is a fanboy and who is not though.
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In time for BF. Realistically, the only reason I would upgrade is so I could move the X-25M into my aging laptop. 10 seconds off my boot time and a couple milliseconds in other applications aren't good enough reasons for me to upgrade after each SSD generation.
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To put bluntly, anyone who buys a Vertex 3 over a M4 either got a sweet deal on their Vertex 3, or needs to do some research on SSDs and what makes 99% of applications faster. It's not having 500MB/s sustained writes/reads.
Says the man with a 580. What's "worth it" is all relative. And then when Newegg has a sale, what's relative gets a kick in the pants.
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What reviews have you been reading? If it's really that much better then it would be worth it to buy M4s since they are a lot cheaper if memory serves.
"Better" is subjective really. The M4 benches better in 4k reads and access time so, in theory, it should be the faster drive. It wouldn't be faster enough to notice and it wouldn't be worth selling a Vertex 3 to buy for an "upgrade".

But if you're looking for a new drive, the M4 deserves consideration as being a drive that is just as fast in most scenarios for most users.

And if the bsod bug is fixed, it's a great time to be a ssd enthusiest.
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