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Says the man with a 580. What's "worth it" is all relative. And then when Newegg has a sale, what's relative gets a kick in the pants.


Not sure what me having a 580 has to do with anything, at the time it was hands down superior to any other single GPU on the market, and came with a price increase to justify it. The situation here is different. People are paying more for an inferior product.

Given the current specs of the two SSDs, they are both fast enough in all departments to be complete overkill. So you take into consideration the most important stat - 4K writes. The M4 destroys the Vertex3 in this department. Which makes it an overall faster drive, and cheaper. Two different situations.

The Vertex 3's faster sustain transfer rate means absolutely nothing unless you are transfering massive 100+ gig files to the SSD on a daily basis. if that's the case the SSD isn't going to last very long anyway.
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Not sure what me having a 580 has to do with anything, at the time it was hands down superior to any other single GPU on the market, and came with a price increase to justify it. The situation here is different. People are paying more for an inferior product.

Given the current specs of the two SSDs, they are both fast enough in all departments to be complete overkill. So you take into consideration the most important stat - 4K writes. The M4 destroys the Vertex3 in this department. Which makes it an overall faster drive, and cheaper. Two different situations.

The Vertex 3's faster sustain transfer rate means absolutely nothing unless you are transfering massive 100+ gig files to the SSD on a daily basis. if that's the case the SSD isn't going to last very long anyway.
Spot on.

Not to even mention that with Crucial you actually have a real customer support service, while it's a disaster with OCZ. :\\
    
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Not sure what me having a 580 has to do with anything, at the time it was hands down superior to any other single GPU on the market, and came with a price increase to justify it. The situation here is different. People are paying more for an inferior product.
It's only a different situation because you are on the other side of the equation.
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The Vertex 3's faster sustain transfer rate means absolutely nothing unless you are transfering massive 100+ gig files to the SSD on a daily basis. if that's the case the SSD isn't going to last very long anyway.
SSD Write Endurance 25nm Vs 34nm
Writing 500GB to a 120GB Force 3 every day on a would give it at least 1000 days based on expectations from Corsair, and the data shows most SSDs lasting more than 2x their expected lifetime.
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Spot on.

Not to even mention that with Crucial you actually have a real customer support service, while it's a disaster with OCZ. :\\
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Given the current specs of the two SSDs, they are both fast enough in all departments to be complete overkill. So you take into consideration the most important stat - 4K writes. The M4 destroys the Vertex3 in this department. Which makes it an overall faster drive, and cheaper. Two different situations.
Anand disagrees with you: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4712/t...-with-fw0009/5 There's SF-22xx walking all over the FW009 M4 in his "light workload" bench which just happens to be 26% 4k IO.

Sure, if we only consider the 4k bench the M4 appears quicker, but look at a bigger picture.

It's even worse if we consider the heavy workload: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4712/t...-with-fw0009/4

Reliability? Oh, they stink. Buy the M4 anyway, but know the V3 is 'faster.'
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Anand disagrees with you: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4712/t...-with-fw0009/5 There's SF-22xx walking all over the FW009 M4 in his "light workload" bench which just happens to be 26% 4k IO.

Sure, if we only consider the 4k bench the M4 appears quicker, but look at a bigger picture.

It's even worse if we consider the heavy workload: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4712/t...-with-fw0009/4

Reliability? Oh, they stink. Buy the M4 anyway, but know the V3 is 'faster.'
Preface: The m4 is a great drive that performs fantastic and has a great reliability record. Definitely more than OCZ can say, I think OCZ has tarnished their reputation beyond repair. Having said that, I just don't see the m4 being faster, now i'm not a huge benchmark guy but in most of my tests the MIOPS comes out on top most of the time. Honestly though, it would be hard to notice a difference anywhere except in a benchmark. I think 99% of users would be hard pressed to ever notice a difference, they're both blazing fast. And you're correct about reliability, I could not ever recommend the drive to anyone with a clear conscience - even though I have not had problems, there are way too many horror stories out there.

I'm mostly curious as to whether this is OCZ specific or if it applies to other drives - most of the other toggle NAND SF2281 drives have not had major faults. In fact, the Kingston HyperX SSD seems to have a great reliability record, as does the Force3 GT. Was it OCZ specific? Or did it apply to all SF drives.
Edited by xoleras - 10/18/11 at 2:02pm
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Well after thinking about it,it depends on the need:

1. The M4 is the best for normal tasks under windows, Opening programs,closing programs, small size file operations.
2. Vertex 3 MAX IOPS excels in large files transfer,for example in Game Loading and Windows boot up.

Today i decided to go with the Vertex 3,since a i am a pure gamer,in normal windows tasks,both drivers perfom excellent to the point that i isn't unnoticable. Wich renders the M4 superior 4k reads and writes and access times almost unnecesary.

That is why Vertex 3 Max iops is the best overall,following my personal judgement.
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Sure the Max IOPS is better in actual light/heavy workload tests rather than one way benchmarks. But by how much - and at what price? OCZ looks to be going the way of BFG. After their Powersupply fiascal, shady nm swapping, and stock fraud, I would be surprised if they last another 5 years. Would you rather save a bunch of money and know your product will continue to have excellent support should anything happen or burn a bigger hole in your wallet for a marginal increase all the while feeling uneasy as to whether the company is going to go under at any time. OCZ has a track record of ruining products.





The Kingston HyperX beats them both and is only $185 after rebate right now too: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ton+hyperx+ssd
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 10/18/11 at 2:55pm
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No SSD drive is entirely superior to another in every task, period.
The m4 is a great boot drive (i had no regrets in getting it when I had to put sandforce aside for compatibility issues). Now that these issues are resolved, the max-iops or similar toggle nand sf drive is also good choice. But note that in less than 240gb capacity only the max-iops has good performance.
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