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There's a big difference between radiation (light) that can split bonds, and ionizing radiation. A large range of UV light is not considered ionizing (it lacks sufficient energy to kick out an electron from an atom or molecule), yet it is sufficiently energetic to induce the breaking of chemical bonds and hence induce a whole lot of bad things, including cancer. Breaking a chemical bond is not the same as ionizing a molecule. Not all cancer is caused by a free radical or ionized molecule--sometimes (quite frequently), it's a mal-formed molecule that causes the havoc.
No, there isn't. Ionizing radiation is defined by its ability to displace electrons. This can both split bonds and create ions. Humor me and give me an example of non-ionizing radiation that splits bonds.

I am well aware the splitting bonds and ionization are different things, but for the purpose of distinguishing radiation, they are grouped together.

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First, I'll address this:

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Humor me and give me an example of non-ionizing radiation that splits bonds.
That's easy. Long-wave UV light (UV-A). It can easily cause the breakdown of hydrogen peroxide to water and oxygen (one reason why hydrogen peroxide is typically stored in brown plastic bottles). It's long-wave UV, not capable of ionizing, but is entirely capable of breaking chemical bonds. 355nm light can even do that. In order to break a chemical bond, all you need is energy sufficient to displace a bonding electron (like to a non-bonding or anti-bonding orbital), but not necessarily remove it from the molecule at all.

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No, there isn't. Ionizing radiation is defined by its ability to displace electrons. This can both split bonds and create ions.
I am well aware the splitting bonds and ionization are different things, but for the purpose of distinguishing radiation, they are grouped together.
My point was that not all "non-ionizing" radiation is necessarily safe or can't cause "cancer." (that, itself, is a poor statement, as something doesn't directly produce cancer, but rather enables a pathway that leads to cancer). I will agree that ionizing radiation is capable of both ionization and breaking bonds (via ionization). But that doesn't mean that non-ionizing radiation cannot break chemical bonds.

I know you said that you understand that breaking a bond is not synonymous with ionizing--and I believe you. But my argument was that there are non-ionizing radiations that can break chemical bonds and lead to, what many refer to as, cancer.

You can break a chemical bond of a compound in a metabolic pathway to generate a rogue molecule that can cause cancer. You don't need ionizing radiation to do this.
    
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can't you folks smell that all those brown, free radicals being produced from microwave radiation in the oven?
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Well it's a good thing I only get a few calls a day on mine then again if I get a brain tumor I can't blame my friends.

Cell towers are what will kill you, source
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i stopped using cellphones but i don't think they are number one in the list for radiation screw FCC thanks for news though.
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Even if cell phones are proven to cause cancer they aren't going to do anything about it, there is too much money involved, lol
I should start making lead shields for cell phones.
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Even if cell phones are proven to cause cancer they aren't going to do anything about it, there is too much money involved, lol
I should start making lead shields for cell phones.
Oh lord, this reminds me of all the morons (generally hippies) that go out and buy those "radiation blocking" stickers for their cell phones.

I want to go up to those people and shout "News flash--if those things actually worked to block radiation, then your phone wouldn't be getting a signal, now would it?"
    
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Oh lord, this reminds me of all the morons (generally hippies) that go out and buy those "radiation blocking" stickers for their cell phones.

I want to go up to those people and shout "News flash--if those things actually worked to block radiation, then your phone wouldn't be getting a signal, now would it?"
LOL I wanna see those!!
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LOL I wanna see those!!
Yeah, people are really dumb when it comes to "RF" and "radiation" sometimes.

There was an older woman that was a student at my undergrad. She was taking general chemistry and told all of her professors/TA's that she was extremely sensitive to RF radiation and magnetic fields, and asked everyone on a cell phone/with a cell phone to stay away from her (this chick was crazy), because she could feel the magnetic fields from them damaging her brain.

Not once did she ever notice the giant 7.4 Tesla supercon NMR magnet that her chem lab room was right next to...
    
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LOLOLOL Dude, we should be selling those things! We'd become rich! (or at least rich enough to pay for all the bills) lol
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