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8/1/12 at 10:02am

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you need to stay with intel if you dont know anymore thasn you replied that you know about ther 8150 you dont have to worry about its voltage untill around 1.5 so your ignorince is appreciated anyway

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8/1/12 at 9:24pm

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Hey guys ! I am not an expert in CPU technology and its architecture, but I believe.......If they would have released a second generation Phenom II x6 and X4 with all those latest instruction sets (ssse3, sse4.1, sse4.2, AVX....etc) and also with increased CPU-NB speed upto 3.0GT/s -3.5GT/s instead of old 2.0GT/s, then in present time these new Phenom II x6 and x4 would have been performing equivalent to at least i5 2500k - i7 2700k.

I also wonder why AMD didn't go with tried and true architecture and just release a "Phenom III" with minor improvements to the design. Did they get everything they could out of the old chip and decided to create a completely new CPU?

As far as I recall the original Phenom was a flop, but Phenom II is definitely a good processor. (Or rather, it was definitely a good processor when it was released years ago. Well, it still matches i3-2100 performance and price). I hope AMD can repeat history and "fix" Bulldozer just as they "fixed" Phenom.

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8/2/12 at 12:50am

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Originally Posted by chadrew

I also wonder why AMD didn't go with tried and true architecture and just release a "Phenom III" with minor improvements to the design. Did they get everything they could out of the old chip and decided to create a completely new CPU?
As far as I recall the original Phenom was a flop, but Phenom II is definitely a good processor. (Or rather, it was definitely a good processor when it was released years ago. Well, it still matches i3-2100 performance and price). I hope AMD can repeat history and "fix" Bulldozer just as they "fixed" Phenom.

They had taken the Phenom II design as far as they could. To give you an idea, just look at the Athlon II 631 that AMD marketed last year, made up of APU's with defects in the CPU section. Those were actually on 32 nm, but they didn't clock any better than ordinary Athlon II's. There's only so far that a CPU design can be refined for added performance. Intel is running into the same problem. Ivy Bridge doesn't clock any faster than Sandy, even with the die-shrink. That's fine, since that wasn't Intel's purpose in creating it, but AMD would have been shooting for higher clocks and more performance in a hypothetical "Phenom III," and those things weren't attainable.

They'll fix Bulldozer, just as they fixed Phenom, and just like Intel fixed the Pentium 4. But they wouldn't have the resources to fix Bulldozer if they were trying to make a better Phenom II at the same time; it was one or the other. Bulldozer has room for improvement, and Phenom II no longer does.

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8/2/12 at 1:04am

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Originally Posted by wan2play

IT hasn't been optimized yet

This argument is rubbish... no proof nothing concrete just a foolish rumor coming from AMD fanboys.

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8/2/12 at 1:22am

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Originally Posted by adridu59

This argument is rubbish... no proof nothing concrete just a foolish rumor coming from AMD fanboys.

1 its far from rubish and thier are alot of tec reports that support what jsc1973 said this is just 1 of many

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Editorial/AMD-Vishera-and-Beyond-New-Design-Philosophy-Dictates-Faster-Pace

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8/2/12 at 1:31am

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how the heck did this thread ever reach 10 pages?

I hope AMD picks things up, we need the underdog to get back in the game for us consumers to benefit.

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8/2/12 at 10:55pm

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Originally Posted by jsc1973

Those were actually on 32 nm, but they didn't clock any better than ordinary Athlon II's. There's only so far that a CPU design can be refined for added performance. Intel is running into the same problem. Ivy Bridge doesn't clock any faster than Sandy, even with the die-shrink.

Clockability has nothing to do with the inherent performance increases in architectures.

Technically BD clocks the best out of any chip (so far) and Celerons from 775 era are still able to match Intel's current offerings, even on air .

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8/2/12 at 11:09pm

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Yo let's leave this thread dead, that'd be great.

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8/2/12 at 11:19pm

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Threads like these remind me of Phenom I days.

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8/2/12 at 11:20pm

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esp since thier is no FX 8170

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