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Not even F@H would put that CPU through it's paces.
Sorry, but F@H will put any processor worth its silicon through its paces. That BD failed to perform for F@H tells me all I need to know about this turkey.

F@H is my final test for any CPU overclock because I've had too many overclocks work perfectly fine for 24 hours on any other stress test only to BSOD under the strain of F@H. If, after all other testing, an overclock can survive 24 hours of F@H, then and only then will I consider it a stable OC.
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Not even F@H would put that CPU through it's paces.
Yet F@H has no troubles putting 12 core Magny-Cours to the test? Or cinebench for that matter.

The problem is in the architecture of BD. Hopefully PD address these issues.
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True or not?

If it's factual then it's not an excuse. Apparently you were never in the Military. We don't make excuses. We give you the facts as we see them and let you consider their worth.

Look at the reviews and show me where a core intensive app was used to bench an 8 core CPU. Not even F@H would put that CPU through it's paces. Of note Phenom II while not an HT CPU still has IGP while BD does not. And there are not many benches that put cores through their paces because that would make Intel look infantile.

It's much like how NVidia worked "with" the developers to get their cards right. Which is nothing more than a lie. We all know that some companies make wink wink nudge nudge agreements with the developers. That's how they remain on top.

~Ceadder
which phenom II has IGP?are you talking the new APU's?
or maybe i missed something or am confused?
    
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If what the guy says is true amd willl never catch up to intel and at some point they will have to stop tossing more cores on the cpu lol then what are they going to do.
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If what the guy says is true amd willl never catch up to intel and at some point they will have to stop tossing more cores on the cpu lol then what are they going to do.
Use the cash they are making from GPUs to lure some top notch chip designers to their team and find a way to outdo Intel.

A person who is pro competitive business can dream, can't he?
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which phenom II has IGP?are you talking the new APU's?
or maybe i missed something or am confused?
I might have misinterpreted something along the way on the IGP front. If so, my bad I'm wrong on that. Still there isn't a lot of benches that can be done that put BD through it's paces.

Now if you want to test 6 Core against any Thubbie that makes sense. Because even with HT progs there should be some kind of division between them.

There aren't any 8 core progs though so testing BD against HT chips is a bit lopsided against the AMD CPU.

Personally I think that AMD is sticking to this build model to encourage developers to write progs that will use more than 3 or 4 cores. HT doesn't do that. HT encourages developers to stick to the HT plan. Someday they'll figure out 1 core is better than 2 virtual cores. I'm hoping it's someday soon. Imagine games that use 4 cores being the norm instead of the exception to the rule.

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Apparently you were never in the Military. We don't make excuses. We give you the facts as we see them and let you consider their worth.
You must be an enlisted man...
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I might have misinterpreted something along the way on the IGP front. If so, my bad I'm wrong on that. Still there isn't a lot of benches that can be done that put BD through it's paces.

Now if you want to test 6 Core against any Thubbie that makes sense. Because even with HT progs there should be some kind of division between them.

There aren't any 8 core progs though so testing BD against HT chips is a bit lopsided against the AMD CPU.

Personally I think that AMD is sticking to this build model to encourage developers to write progs that will use more than 3 or 4 cores. HT doesn't do that. HT encourages developers to stick to the HT plan. Someday they'll figure out 1 core is better than 2 virtual cores. I'm hoping it's someday soon. Imagine games that use 4 cores being the norm instead of the exception to the rule.

~Ceadder
Now I've heard it all from this same guy over and over. Making excuses for a company that don't give a rat's ass about you.

BD sucks, get over it.
 
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^^^Refute it smart guy. If you can't, then keep your opinion to yourself.

Oh yes. New architecture means new BIOS for testing board(s). Since when have you guys ever seen a BIOS work perfectly on a brand new board with brand new CPU.

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You must be an enlisted man...
Yes I was. Nobody saluted me unless I saluted first.



~Ceadder
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I can refute what you said about nothing being written for 8 cores. F@H will take advantage of however many cores are available and many 8 core processors (Intel and AMD) have stood the test with F@H. BD has been tested and has come up short.

Edited to add: If you want to make an argument that nothing has been written specifically to take advantage of the module based multi-core design of BD, you might just have an argument. Of course my counter to that would be "why would anybody want to write code specifically to take advantage of that design"?
Edited by Xyxox - 10/18/11 at 7:33pm
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