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"unrealistic expectations"
that's all i think
    
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"unrealistic expectations"
that's all i think
It is unrealistic to expect a new design that is 4-5 years in the making to beat a CPU based on a 8 year old architecture?
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nah, they are doing bad in CPU´s

but in GPU they are owning Nvidia
At least we have the GPUs... Although, I still like nVidia!
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Anyone feel bad for AMD? I messed around with my buddy about how much of a fail BD is. Now...I'm starting to feel bad for AMD. I'm not a fanboy of AMD nor Intel, I like both, but it seems AMD might not be around in a few years if they keep going like this.
worst comes to worst then they will split back into ati & amd
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Aren't these are server chips overclocked and ported to the desktop. I think the design is much better suited for servers and doesn't translate well to certain PC/Gaming uses. Whether or not they can be optimized, improved, revised, etc will remain to be seen. Hopefully they can with a revised BD or Piledriver or whatever is the last processor they release for AM3+ ha, I don't want to switch mobos and rebuild again for awhile. (well I do, but the lady would not approve)
    
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worst comes to worst then they will split back into ati & amd
Doubtful. AMD needs those ATI patents and knowledge for APUs.


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Aren't these are server chips overclocked and ported to the desktop. I think the design is much better suited for servers and doesn't translate well to certain PC/Gaming uses. Whether or not they can be optimized, improved, revised, etc will remain to be seen. Hopefully they can with a revised BD or Piledriver or whatever is the last processor they release for AM3+ ha, I don't want to switch mobos and rebuild again for awhile. (well I do, but the lady would not approve)
They aren't that great for servers as is either.
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It is unrealistic to expect a new design that is 4-5 years in the making to beat a CPU based on a 8 year old architecture?
It is unreasonable to expect the current generation of Bulldozer to beat Sandy bridge because it does not. (tautology FTW)

Back to the topic at hand. There are many basic transistor circuits.These can be used to increase development speed, but just like in programming, using stock elements can lead to strange and hard to find errors.

Not yet discussed is the multiple layers of wiring for the circuits. Routing wiring correctly is very important to performance and yields. Bulldozer has a dozen or more layers of wire traces (edit: it seems like transistor count squares and transistor connections cube, but that's probably not quite accurate). Laying out billions of wires (each transistor has three wires) in a way that avoids problems (both more traditional and quantum mechanics related) is a problem that not only doesn't lend itself well to hand design, but isn't repeatable due to interconnections between various parts of the die and due to the die not being symmetrical (probably a symmetrical die would cause other even stranger problems).

As to Intel designing completely by hand. This is not possible (for the reasons outlined previously). Intel may hand optimise more than AMD, but the majority of the initial layout is still done by a computer (thus proving once again that programmers are more important than engineers... unless the engineers are programmers).

For the more paranoid among us, we have computers programmed to design better computers. The robot revolution (TM) is almost here.
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They aren't that great for servers as is either.
I haven't seen any benchmarks for those so I have no idea. Nor have I searched... But, it's pretty clear that they chose to deliver something that is much more suitable for a server and just gave us a crackpot cutover ha. But, I still think it has some potential if it can be tweaked properly. As it isn't that bad of a chip to begin with.
    
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I haven't seen any benchmarks for those so I have no idea. Nor have I searched... But, it's pretty clear that they chose to deliver something that is much more suitable for a server and just gave us a crackpot cutover ha. But, I still think it has some potential if it can be tweaked properly. As it isn't that bad of a chip to begin with.
Why comment then if you have no basis for your statement? The power consumption alone is enough to raise red flags in the server segment.
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Why comment then if you have no basis for your statement? The power consumption alone is enough to raise red flags in the server segment.
I said the design was for a server environment. I didn't say anything about the performance....
    
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