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Do yourself a favor and get one from Samsung or pretty much anywhere else.
   
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Originally Posted by Canis-X View Post

Do yourself a favor and get one from Samsung or pretty much anywhere else.

Are Crucials that bad?
post #1423 of 1783
Listen to Canis-X,Samsung.
post #1424 of 1783
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Originally Posted by Meganano View Post


Are Crucials that bad?

 

Nope, they are fine.  They used to be THE go-to SSD recommendation on OCN.  Whenever people would ask for SSD choices in proposed builds.  To the point where people would have faster SSD drives in the proposed builds, and OCN users would still recommend the M4 over the proposed SSD. 

 

I guess now the OCN user drive of choice is the Samsung 840, which is an OK drive, still not the fastest SSD out, but it's newer than the M4, and should probably be faster, I haven't looked at the benches.  They are still slower than Sandforce2 SSDs, I can tell you that much without even looking at a benchmark.

post #1425 of 1783
Yes SandForce is so fast that OCZ moved to Indilix,Corsair to LAMB,Samsung,Crucial,Plextor never been on Sandforce.Only name that stayed on Sandforce is ....ups i dont know,does anybody knows.
post #1426 of 1783
The reason that I say stay away from Crucial is per the following thread (low 4K-64Thrd with AS SSD), you'll get the idea:

http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Solid-State-Drives-SSD/low-4K-64Thrd-with-AS-SSD/td-p/84448

....basically, a new drive works great!! Fast and reliable. Once you use it for a "little while" (term used because no-one knows what causes the drop in performance) your 4k-64Thrd score will drop off dramatically....and since no-one knows what causes the issue, no-one knows how to correct it so, you are left with a borked drive. Crucial claims that they are not able to replicate the issue so they will only offer you an RMA for a new M4, which of coarse will have the same problem. That is why I said, do yourself a favor and buy a Samsung....or pretty much anyone else's drive. Why? Well, you don't know what will happen with the other drives...they could be gems...rock solid little b's that run strong forever or they could be problematic little schmucks that die in a week, but the key here is you don't know.....with the Crucial M4 though, you are guaranteed that you will have this 4k-64Thrd issue and Crucial won't "fix" it. wink.gif
   
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Originally Posted by Canis-X View Post

The reason that I say stay away from Crucial is per the following thread (low 4K-64Thrd with AS SSD), you'll get the idea:

http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Solid-State-Drives-SSD/low-4K-64Thrd-with-AS-SSD/td-p/84448

....basically, a new drive works great!! Fast and reliable. Once you use it for a "little while" (term used because no-one knows what causes the drop in performance) your 4k-64Thrd score will drop off dramatically....and since no-one knows what causes the issue, no-one knows how to correct it so, you are left with a borked drive. Crucial claims that they are not able to replicate the issue so they will only offer you an RMA for a new M4, which of coarse will have the same problem. That is why I said, do yourself a favor and buy a Samsung....or pretty much anyone else's drive. Why? Well, you don't know what will happen with the other drives...they could be gems...rock solid little b's that run strong forever or they could be problematic little schmucks that die in a week, but the key here is you don't know.....with the Crucial M4 though, you are guaranteed that you will have this 4k-64Thrd issue and Crucial won't "fix" it. wink.gif
You do know that it does not actually affect user performance tho right? That that queue depth will never be reached by a user...

4k speeds and access times and seq speeds shown in AS SSD are what matter, the 4k-64thrd speeds mean absolutely nothing.
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Originally Posted by IgorHvar View Post

Yes SandForce is so fast that OCZ moved to Indilix,Corsair to LAMB,Samsung,Crucial,Plextor never been on Sandforce.Only name that stayed on Sandforce is ....ups i dont know,does anybody knows.

 

Intel still used a SandForce controller on their recently released 335, which is on par, if not faster than the Samsung TLC 840. 

 

OCZ bought Indilix, so it's no surprise that they started using their controllers.  Corsair uses a LAMD controller, not lamb, but that would be funny, AFAIK they are the only ones to use that controller.  Plextor, and Crucial both use Marvell, which is what the M4 was based on.

 

My point wasn't that Sandforce controllers are the best or the fastest, my point was that the M4 is still a fine SSD for what it is, heck it doesn't even use Sandforce, xD. 

post #1429 of 1783
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You do know that it does not actually affect user performance tho right? That that queue depth will never be reached by a user...

4k speeds and access times and seq speeds shown in AS SSD are what matter, the 4k-64thrd speeds mean absolutely nothing.

That maybe true but the fact that most users experience the problem but yet Crucial claims that they are able to coupled with the fact that they are unable or unwilling to fix it says something about the company in general IMHO.
   
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There has been a misunderstanding.BUT
If Canis-X have Samsung Pro 840 and he someone recommends Samsung(this applies to me too), would not it be logical that he thinks on 840 Pro and not Basic TLC 840.
So my thought was that you said how Sandforce is faster than Pro(MDX triple-core ARM 9).
About M4.I got 3 M4.One of them have low 4k-64Thrd problem.I tell you this.Its not nice when you buy drive that have this
advertise speed
and in the end you get this speeds

If it does not actually affect user performance why dont they advertise drive with this lower as-ssd result.
And even bigger problem is that they ignore this situation,saying they cant replicate problem on RMA drive.
Ye,right.
Edited by Unit Igor - 2/6/13 at 4:56pm
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