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Which make is it ? Asus/giga/asrock ?

Hey your CPU is the same as mine and also unlocked but how come you have L3 Cache and I don't ?
Mine's the ASUS M5A78L-M LE, which is the same 760G board as yours sans the IDE connector. The M5 line is socket AM3+, hence BD ready. The X3's are usually based on a quad die, meaning that AMD locked out a core either due to it being faulty OR to meet the demands for the tri-core market, in which case they may take a totally healthy quad and disable the 4th core. These locked quads are usually based on the Propus die, meaning that they started out life as an Athlon quad, NOT a phenom. These are the ones that unlock without the L3 cache. However, the very first few batches of the X3 line were actually locked Phenom quads based on the Deneb die, which unlock with the L3 cache. The newer X3's aren't usually Denebs. I was lucky to get my hands on a Deneb. So what you have is an Athlon X4, not a Phenom.
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Mine's the ASUS M5A78L-M LE, which is the same 760G board as yours sans the IDE connector. The M5 line is socket AM3+, hence BD ready. The X3's are usually based on a quad die, meaning that AMD locked out a core either due to it being faulty OR to meet the demands for the tri-core market, in which case they may take a totally healthy quad and disable the 4th core. These locked quads are usually based on the Propus die, meaning that they started out life as an Athlon quad, NOT a phenom. These are the ones that unlock without the L3 cache. However, the very first few batches of the X3 line were actually locked Phenom quads based on the Deneb die, which unlock with the L3 cache. The newer X3's aren't usually Denebs. I was lucky to get my hands on a Deneb. So what you have is an Athlon X4, not a Phenom.
Ah but during POST it shows a Phenom B45.

So in short even my mobo would support a BD?
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Ah but during POST it shows a Phenom B45.

So in short even my mobo would support a BD?
During Post it will show as a Phenom. You would Know if it's Propus or Deneb depending on whether the L3 cache unlocks or not. Another trick would be to see the CPU code printed on the head of the processor. If it's "AD", it's a Propus. "AC" means it's a deneb. Yeah if a BIOS update is released then it's BD all the way. The current line of BD processors have the same number of pins as an AM3 socket. Kinda based on the theory of AM3 processors being backwards compatible on AM2+ boards through a BIOS update.
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During Post it will show as a Phenom. You would Know if it's Propus or Deneb depending on whether the L3 cache unlocks or not. Another trick would be to see the CPU code printed on the head of the processor. If it's "AD", it's a Propus. "AC" means it's a deneb. Yeah if a BIOS update is released then it's BD all the way. The current line of BD processors have the same number of pins as an AM3 socket. Kinda based on the theory of AM3 processors being backwards compatible on AM2+ boards through a BIOS update.
it shows as Propus.
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it shows as Propus.
No harm. It's a gamble and you just have to be lucky. You still got a good processor as the Athlon quads are excellent performers.
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No harm. It's a gamble and you just have to be lucky. You still got a good processor as the Athlon quads are excellent performers.
I use it mainly for FSX on mid-high and it runs well , but as my board does not support 955 phenom's I am looking at 945 or 1055t any guess which one would be better ?

Noticed one more thing in your sig you GPU how did you manage to make it a 5770 ?
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I use it mainly for FSX on mid-high and it runs well , but as my board does not support 955 phenom's I am looking at 945 or 1055t any guess which one would be better ?

Noticed one more thing in your sig you GPU how did you manage to make it a 5770 ?
Depends on your budget and usage needs. Do you video encode, stream or anything likewise? A 5770 on paper? yes. In theory? no. All i did was flash my 5750 with the BIOS of the Sapphire Vapor-x 5770. Doing this gave me the option of setting higher clocks. In essence, it's still a 5750, but with higher overclocking headroom now . Played havoc with my powerplay settings though as my GPU kept downclocking to 600 Mhz. Fixed that manually using RBE.
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Depends on your budget and usage needs. Do you video encode, stream or anything likewise? A 5770 on paper? yes. In theory? no. All i did was flash my 5750 with the BIOS of the Sapphire Vapor-x 5770. Doing this gave me the option of setting higher clocks. In essence, it's still a 5750, but with higher overclocking headroom now . Played havoc with my powerplay settings though as my GPU kept downclocking to 600 Mhz. Fixed that manually using RBE.
Nope no encoding or video stuff except watching movies and FSX.
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Nope no encoding or video stuff except watching movies and FSX.
'Upgrading' to a 945 would serve no real purpose as the L3 cache barely gives any performance boost in real world applications, well, in the applications you use anyway. I'd say stick with the processor you have now and upgrade to a better GPU
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'Upgrading' to a 945 would serve no real purpose as the L3 cache barely gives any performance boost in real world applications, well, in the applications you use anyway. I'd say stick with the processor you have now and upgrade to a better GPU
Ooh you are the second person who told me that about the 945, yep I am upgrading my GPU once my budget is upgraded .

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