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Originally Posted by blangblang;15355299 
This isn't how trademarks traditionally work. Trademarking the title "Scrolls" has zero impact on the existing "Elder Scrolls" or a hypothetical "OCN Scrolls". The trademark doesn't mean they own the word 'Scrolls' and all uses of it in longer titles, just the exact, literal title. This is why it's ridiculous for Bethesda to go after Mojang on this point; Bethesda is playing fast and loose with the entitlements granted by their trademark and the courts just confirmed it, at least for now.

Ok, let's start by quoting some actual legal judgements
Per the US Patent Office case ID: 85323305
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The examining attorney refuses registration under Trademark Act Section 2(d), 15 U.S.C. §1052(d), because the applicant's mark ... so resembles the marks in U.S. Registration Nos. 2634683, 2861127, 3375520, 3421731 and 3584564 (THE ELDER SCROLLS) and 4010219 (SCROLLS) as to be likely to cause confusion, to cause mistake, or to deceive. ... Regarding the THE ELDER SCROLLS marks, the applicant has merely deleted the term ELDER from the registered mark. The mere deletion of wording from a registered mark may not be sufficient to overcome a likelihood of confusion.

That's to make it clear that according to the US patent office, "Elder Scrolls" and the term "Scrolls" are legally close enough to be confusing and therefor both trademarks are not possible. Second, Notch has NOT agreed to drop the name Scrolls, he offered to call it "some adjective" Scrolls instead. This doesn't resolve the issue that Notch is still applying for a trademark with the term scrolls in it.

Whether its just scrolls, or "Notch's" Scrolls or "Mojang" scrolls doesn't matter. Ether way there would exist two Trademarks with scrolls in it, which according to the US Patent Office are similar enough to mutually exclusive.

So either Zenimax fights Notch's trademark application or they potentially lose their elder scrolls trademark due to the trademark becoming diluted. In addition, if Notch gets his trademark approved, he now has a legal basis to target Zenimax using the above patent office ruling.

This has happened to companies before:
See Ty Inc. v. Perryman, 306 F.3d 509 (7th Cir. 2002)

So the true culprit here isn't Zenimax or Notch, it's the stupid trademark and patent system. I'm sure Zenimax isn't happy about the damage to their brand image, but under the current system, it's either enforce it or lose it, hence they have no choice.
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post #52 of 83
Finally some good news. Great job mojang!
post #53 of 83
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Originally Posted by blangblang View Post
Yes, I read the article.

It's a trademark, NOT a patent. Trademarks are for brands. Patents are for inventions of novel products and processes. The kotaku article is showing a bit of a misunderstanding of this distinction.
Legally in the US, both are under the jurisdiction of the US Patent office. Both trademarks and patent's must be enforced by the owner or they risk loss of the trademark/patent due to stupid legal decisions and laws.

It's a stupid system and small companies by far get the short end of the stick.

Notch is hardly a legal expert and while he is understandably frustrated by the system, it's no fault of Bethesda that they must protect their trademark.
If notch decided to call his new game Apple Mining or Windows Mining he'd get similarly sued despite both of those names also being common English words.
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post #54 of 83
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This isn't how trademarks traditionally work. Trademarking the title "Scrolls" has zero impact on the existing "Elder Scrolls" or a hypothetical "OCN Scrolls". The trademark doesn't mean they own the word 'Scrolls' and all uses of it in longer titles, just the exact, literal title. This is why it's ridiculous for Bethesda to go after Mojang on this point; Bethesda is playing fast and loose with the entitlements granted by their trademark and the courts just confirmed it, at least for now.
This is exactly it. Besides, even during this whole thing Notch said he'd still be keeping his pre-order of Skyrim. I can't see a man like that trying to use a trademark the wrong way anyhow. Too lighthearted I thinks.

But congrats Mojang
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My German sucks but after reading the court decision I lol'd so hard that I blew my shoulder out of the socket. Win for Indie.
Yes, your German pretty much sucks if you can't tell it apart from Swedish

Too bad Bethsoft didn't take up the original offer.. Would've been good fun
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Once again, over 50 posts full of people who don't get it. This was Bethesda's Legal Department.
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That's a good thing IMO.
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Who do they think they are? Apple? (Yes, im serious.)
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Hopefully, if Notch wins any money from this or future court battles, they will use the money to update the graphics of Minecraft so it isnt just a bunch of silly squares.
I hope your joking. Minecraft looks better than most games with a texture pack.
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I hope your joking. Minecraft looks better than most games with a texture pack.
You mean art style?
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