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A 15% performance increase would only bring it to comparing with Phenom II?
If BD's IPC were the same as phenom II we would be happy braheam.. Just saying

Correct me if I'm wrong but higher clock speed with the same instructions per cycle would make a faster cpu period.. That's what bulldozer should have been.. And that's why intel guys are giving us shiz because they know that software isn't going to help as much as we would like it to because of the decrease in IPC from pII to BD. Maybe they thought they could win over with retarded clock speeds but as we can see it's not happening.

The only way that lower IPC can win over higher IPC is clock speeds period from what I understand.

If BD's ipc was 15% higher than phenom II it would run over SB.

Now there going to release pile driver as they did from phenom to phenom II
Edited by yukon - 10/18/11 at 7:16pm
    
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post #12 of 37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr0sty View Post
let's all hope there are some bulldozer fixes to boost performance
B3 won't fix all problems but it is rumored to fix Integer performance

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Originally Posted by Fr0sty View Post
... and that piledriver actually makes a good 15% ipc increase
15% Performance per(/) Watt

If we consider Zambezi being 1 and Vishera being 1.10-1.15

Zambezi = 1 performance per 1 watt

Vishera =
1.15 performance per 1 watt(Meaning it has the same power consumption as Zambezi while having more performance)
or
1 performance per .85 watt(Meaning it has the same performance as Zambezi while having lower power consumption)
or
1.075 performance per .925 watt(Meaning it has higher performance and lower power consumption than Zambezi)
Edited by Seronx - 10/18/11 at 7:18pm
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post #13 of 37
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If BD's IPC were the same as phenom II we would be happy braheam.. Just saying

Correct me if I'm wrong but higher clock speed with the same instructions per cycle would make a faster cpu period.. That's what bulldozer should have been.. And that's why intel guys are giving us shiz because they know that software isn't going to help as much as we would like it to because of the decrease in IPC from pII to BD. Maybe they thought they could win over with retarded clock speeds but as we can see it's not happening.

The only way that lower IPC can win over higher IPC is clock speeds period from what I understand.

If BD's ipc was 15% higher than phenom II it would run over SB.

Now there going to release pile driver as they did from phenom to phenom II
well, i hate to do this but, bulldozer took a swim under sandy bridge in the river.

lets hope pile driver isnt as slow as the actual machine itself, or we'll have some serious issues

theres no fangirlism from me, ive gone with intel this long because its all ive ever used since i was introduced to my dads 486 DX, i go with things i know about, i dont go price performance, i could care less.
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integer is more important anyway right???
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Originally Posted by Fr0sty View Post
integer is more important anyway right???
Integer can impact a lot of things in desktop workloads but I rather wait and see rather than talk about it

What I would expect:
Zambezi B3 -> 15% P/W improvement -> Vishera C2

Detailed explanation of 15% P/W

FX-8150 => 6 pts for 125 watts

FX-8250 (Piledriver(Vishera) equivalent of the FX-8150 aka retails @ newegg for $279.99)
=> 7.06 pts for 125 watts
or
=> 6 pts for 106.3 watts
or
=> 6.5 pts for 115.6 watts

Cinebench R11.5 average + power consumption average

This may or may not happen but I recommend that you think this may not happen
Edited by Seronx - 10/18/11 at 8:16pm
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post #16 of 37
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Okay, I am bumping but this is a information bump

Donanimhaber has leaked


so 20% from Llano and 10% from Bulldozer

So Bulldozer is 10% faster than Llano and Piledriver is 10% faster than Bulldozer



Trinty support DDR3-2133 <-- good news

So, what does this prove

Trinity is using Piledriver and will most likely reference Vishera

This also gives us insight for the 50% boost

20% from the CPU and 30% from the GPU
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post #17 of 37
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Okay, I am bumping but this is a information bump

Donanimhaber has leaked


so 20% from Llano and 10% from Bulldozer

So Bulldozer is 10% faster than Llano and Piledriver is 10% faster than Bulldozer



Trinty support DDR3-2133 <-- good news

So, what does this prove

Trinity is using Piledriver and will most likely reference Vishera

This also gives us insight for the 50% boost

20% from the CPU and 30% from the GPU

Where's my salt shaker??

Honestly, I don't believe ANYTHING that AMD says anymore.

Trinity is just a Llano "evolution" using bulldozer cores and a slightly buffed memory controller. Given that they're promising increased IPC performance again, I'm hesitant to believe that this will be success.
 
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The only reason for going for a Land Grid Array socket is for pin density and If Steamroller and Excavator do not need more pins it will most likely stay PGA
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Don't you mean SteamLOLer? It may be a friend to FAILdozer
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Where's my salt shaker??

Honestly, I don't believe ANYTHING that AMD says anymore.

Trinity is just a Llano "evolution" using bulldozer cores and a slightly buffed memory controller. Given that they're promising increased IPC performance again, I'm hesitant to believe that this will be success.
They explained the "IPC" increase to be structure size increases and clock rate and power enhancements making it a IPS increase and not really a IPC increase

Speed Demon CPUs need to be fast not slow to shine

5.2GHz should be the starting point for all speed demon CPUs
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If I was AMD I would be saying I am pretty excited with Trinity

If Trinity does well in the CPU benchmarks much better than the FX-4100 and the A8-3850
im myself somewhat excited about trinity. if the game benchmarks with Llanos are any pointer (and they are), trinity is something to look forward to. especially with the 5xxx core and expanded hybrid crossfire.

they may even allow 3 way crossfire with cpugpu+2 discrete gpu.

hybrid crossfire ..... mmmmmmmmmmmm

AND EYEFINITY SUPPORT IN ON-DIE GPU !! WOW !! i didnt know that !!

seems like eyefinity will become something mainstream !
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