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I posted this message on AMD blog:
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Hello,

I think the new architecture is great for 16 core server chip.

I think 8 core Bulldozer might be usefull for some people doing a lot of video editing or archiving etc. Unfortunatelly, it fails to be the all around universal desktop processor.

I have no idea, who is going to buy 6 and 4 core Bulldozers, when they perform as they do compared to Phenom II processors and even the current APUs as A8-3850.

Are you going to develop some new universal desktop processor and leave Bulldozer where it belongs – to specialised workstations and servers?

I think you should do so, you left a lot of people very dissapointed.

I left my honest opinion, I hope it will not be deleted and if possible will be responded to in some factual and not very marketing intensive way?

Stepan
and got this response from Adam Kozak:

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Bulldozer is the first of a new generation of processors. The modular design allows us to tweak the design per dual core module.

You will see this these enhancements in most of our future desktop processors in the future.

Remember, designing a new core takes many years. It’s not something you quickly change.

The modular nature definitely allows us to enhance future products in a timely manner.
I really thought AMD is going to throw away this architecture for desktop processors and will continue to develop it only for servers, while making some stronger universal desktop processor. It seems I was wrong, and desktop will go on as tweaked bulldozers. I am not sure that is a good solution.

I have no idea what is the research and development power of AMD at the moment, but working simultaneously on two things (tweaking bulldozer for servers and developing new chip for desktops) might bring good results and in the end tweaked bulldozer for desktop might use some improvements and results from development of universal desktop chip and vice versa. These two branches might fuse together in the future, and end result could be much better than just result of bulldozer tweaks alone.
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Originally Posted by StepanPepan View Post
I posted this message on AMD blog:

and got this response from Adam Kozak:



I really thought AMD is going to throw away this architecture for desktop processors and will continue to develop it only for servers, while making some stronger universal desktop processor. It seems I was wrong, and desktop will go on as tweaked bulldozers. I am not sure that is a good solution.

I have no idea what is the research and development power of AMD at the moment, but working simultaneously on two things (tweaking bulldozer for servers and developing new chip for desktops) might bring good results and in the end tweaked bulldozer for desktop might use some improvements and results from development of universal desktop chip and vice versa. These two branches might fuse together in the future, and end result could be much better than just result of bulldozer tweaks alone.
you really don't have any idea what you are talking about huh?

give it time, amd fumbles with new architectures all the time, or were you to young to remember the first generation phenom's?
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give it time, amd fumbles with new architectures all the time, or were you to young to remember the first generation phenom's?
How long time? How many generations will we have to wait, till they tweak it enough so that the per core performance will be acceptable and competitive?

I think AMD now desperatelly needs to develop a strong per core processors to make it competitive in desktops again.
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How long time? How many generations will we have to wait, till they tweak it enough so that the per core performance will be acceptable and competitive?

I think AMD now desperatelly needs to develop a strong per core processors to make it competitive in desktops again.
However long it takes. Took them years to get where they with bulldozer, but we should see increases in performance faster now that it's out. Just save yourself the trouble and go intel, I have a feeling thats where you're gonna end up anyway.
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Since you've already established contact with Adam..
Try asking him if there is any plans for drivers/windows patch to improve the BD performance.
 
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How long time? How many generations will we have to wait, till they tweak it enough so that the per core performance will be acceptable and competitive?

I think AMD now desperatelly needs to develop a strong per core processors to make it competitive in desktops again.
sorry my crystal ball is in the shop today, i am not able to answer this question at the time, but i'd imagine 1 generation/six months to a year more than likely. we should see a good improvement with the next generation.

it took intel several years to realize netbust wasn't going anywhere like they had expected. even tho it was a good architecture, it just wasn't performing like they had hoped, maybe bulldozer is amd's netbust.

if its performance continues like it has for the next generation, then i would say amd would need to consider possibly replacing the architecture, but it is too soon and very unreasonable for a consumer to expect this out of a company, cause some benchmarks came up short with it.

imho, if you are dissapointed with what amd has to offer, maybe it is time to set aside your indifference towards intel and see what they are offering. i'm a coke drinker, and every once in awhile i think to myself "you know what a nice ice cold pepsi sounds good."
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Since you've already established contact with Adam..
Try asking him...
I am not sure if similar question was not already given (and responded to), you should review it and ask yourself...

http://blogs.amd.com/play/2011/10/13...ge-1/#comments
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i'd wait and see what the next generation brings..i skipped the phenom1 (dodged a bullet there) was very happy with my phenom 2..was..2 YEARS ago..grrrr..somebody's goofing off over there @ amd.. hopefully they're scrambling to come out with something better ASAP..unfortunately..i ordered a new fx4100 play with a sandy bridge in the meantime..it'll probably be just about shot around the time amd pulls out something new (if they do)
 
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I don't see why everyone cares so much. AMD is AMD, their processors will stay the same no matter what. It does not matter how many people fuss over how BAD it is or how GOOD it is. People need to take into consideration that they do not OWN AMD, unless they mean buy their parts. More importantly, you cannot say that you see things as a disappointment unless you were there. They've released the processor for a reason, because to them, it IS an improvement. Why else would they? Problem is, most people are too stuck up with their heads in their butts to realize that AMD moved forward, not backward, and that is, my friends, a LOT better.
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I don't see why everyone cares so much. AMD is AMD, their processors will stay the same no matter what. It does not matter how many people fuss over how BAD it is or how GOOD it is. People need to take into consideration that they do not OWN AMD, unless they mean buy their parts. More importantly, you cannot say that you see things as a disappointment unless you were there. They've released the processor for a reason, because to them, it IS an improvement. Why else would they? Problem is, most people are too stuck up with their heads in their butts to realize that AMD moved forward, not backward, and that is, my friends, a LOT better.

+1

BD is not a failure, don't understand why the flame war happens, people don't realize that Intel is a giant where R&D finance is considered where AMD may have just a fraction of it.

AMD did state the chip needs heavy loads to show performance.
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