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it took intel several years to realize netbust wasn't going anywhere like they had expected. even tho it was a good architecture, it just wasn't performing like they had hoped, maybe bulldozer is amd's netbust.

if its performance continues like it has for the next generation, then i would say amd would need to consider possibly replacing the architecture, but it is too soon and very unreasonable for a consumer to expect this out of a company, cause some benchmarks came up short with it.
I do not think this architecture is likely to be completely abandoned, it looks interesting and promissing and for specific threaded tasks that suits it may have no competition at all after few tweaks. As I said, THIS IS NOT A UNIVERSAL PROCESSOR.

I just think it would be great for AMD to have an alternative, strong universal processor with high per core performance.

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imho, if you are dissapointed with what amd has to offer, maybe it is time to set aside your indifference towards intel and see what they are offering.
I am afraid that everybody including the strongest Intel fans are dissapointed. BTW I got SB half year ago, I shop for performance and not for brand...
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Why should they abandon bulldozer now? New architectures being lackluster to start is a very common occurrence. It's partly because the design simulations aren't always in line with real life and a revision is needed to fix the bugs. The other issue is that software ALWAYS lags behind hardware. A BD module is more like hyperthreading than two separate cores, but current software treats it like the latter.

Obviously, unless you do heavy heavy multitasking that can take advantage of the extra 'cores' and pipelines, Intel is a better choice, but that's no reason to drop the architecture. Give it time; we have to wait till the architecture matures to see its true performance.
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I am so glad I sold my AMD setup and I have something new one the way. I am sorry but AMD failed in the performance area once again.
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Look at it this way, bulldozer has no were else to go but up. Its a brand new architecture, it will mature over the next decade. See how far they pushed the K architecture, it was due up.
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Originally Posted by StepanPepan View Post
I do not think this architecture is likely to be completely abandoned, it looks interesting and promissing and for specific threaded tasks that suits it may have no competition at all after few tweaks. As I said, THIS IS NOT A UNIVERSAL PROCESSOR.

I just think it would be great for AMD to have an alternative, strong universal processor with high per core performance.


I am afraid that everybody including the strongest Intel fans are dissapointed. BTW I got SB half year ago, I shop for performance and not for brand...
like i said in my first post, you really have no idea what you are talking about huh?

and good for you on your purchase of a sandy bridge, now stop making useless threads of a beaten to death topic.
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Look at it this way, bulldozer has no were else to go but up. Its a brand new architecture, it will mature over the next decade.
Yes, but this architecture is based on one idea: I has a lot of cores for a lot of threads. If we have a lot of cores they have to be small and alone not very strong. They even have to share some resources, what according to some numbers comparing 4 cores each in one module and 4 cores in two modules gives them 12% performance loss.

What about one or just a few threads? AMD now looses massively in this area and I believe they cannot win just by improving a special product aimed at the multithread applications!

You cannot improve lawn rake for collecting multiple fallen leaves in the same time to be able to dig out rocks! You need a special tool for it - pickax.

AMD cannot fight Intel with pickax using the lawn rake hoping they will "tweak it". They need to develop their own pickax as soon as possible!

Edited by StepanPepan - 10/19/11 at 6:19am
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now stop making useless threads of a beaten to death topic.
I think you are not here to judge, what is useless and what is not.

If you think that this thread is useless it is the best for you to stop participating in it. Thank you.
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I think you are not here to judge, what is useless and what is not.

If you think that this thread is useless it is the best for you to stop participating in it. Thank you.
lol true.
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+1

BD is not a failure, don't understand why the flame war happens, people don't realize that Intel is a giant where R&D finance is considered where AMD may have just a fraction of it.

AMD did state the chip needs heavy loads to show performance.
I think that most people just want the old AMD back . . . the year 2004 AMD. Back then it didn't matter that AMD was this small munchkin company compared to Intel. They released Athlon64 to the masses, and it whooped Pentium 4 when it came to performance. Socket 939, first real dual core 64 bit CPU, low cost. That is what won AMD over so many fans, myself included.

I miss those days.
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post #20 of 43
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Since you've already established contact with Adam..
Try asking him if there is any plans for drivers/windows patch to improve the BD performance.
Haven't most people have given up on this? If any sort of software fix could happen, it would have happened long before release. A fix to eglibc for Linux happened back in March. These people do know what they are doing for the most part. It is rather insulting to think that they would not have been working on this from the get go to make sure the BIOS and software could make as much use out of the CPU as possible. It is possible little 1% tweaks or something might come along, but to expect more than that is unreasonable. Something big could happen I guess...it is just very unlikely. So don't sit around expecting it and be mad if it doesn't happen.

And now that the world has seen it and more people have first hand experience with it I think any such patch would have been made by now. It would at least have been announced and started. People have looked at it and can see what is going on...there is just nothing that software can do about it. Any change that I could see would only slightly improve the multi-threaded performance, but that is already pretty darn good. Again...I know in Linux this fix was made several months ago and it netted a 3% gain in multi-threaded performance.
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 10/19/11 at 6:20am
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