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Originally Posted by IIIIICRASHIIIII View Post

Nickel-plated copper?

Never seen a Cu-Ni block?

http://www.guru3d.com/news/ek-stops-nickelplated-water-block-production/

EK uses Nickel Plating on its Copper blocks to stop the copper from corroding. This is where the issue has come up with their blocks and defects in the plating.
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Originally Posted by lol12ek View Post

Maybe unauthorized liquids means anything that will damage the product. So if you are using di-water+silver, and the nickel comes off, its unwarrantable because the silver caused it. If you are using di-water+silver, and an o-ring fails, it would be covered because the water+silver didn't cause it.
Basically, I think it implies that your warranty isn't automatically void when using a specific liquid, but if that specific liquid/additive is the CAUSE of an issue, and it's not their liquid, why cover it? I wouldn't.
EDIT: Not saying the silver is having issues with the nickel (though I think it is).

Well they should know that 80% of people with WC uses Dis-water + silver WC started (99% wc comunity knows about dis-water and silver). Koolance is well aware of this since they started making water blocks for a long time. Why wouldn't they specify NOT TO USE PTNUKE/SILVER COIL. i'll tell you why..... is because if they do specify it and that it will void warranty people would stop buying their product for the reason that other companies do offer warranty using your own liquid.

If it was such a thread not to use water with silver why haven't they release info on it and warning everyone to stop using dis-water/silver because i will cause corrosion on their water blocks.


This is the only info i found in koolance website;

"Using domestic tap water can encourage corrosion. Tap water contains numerous trace elements that can accelerate this process. This is the reason distilled water should be used (not "purified", "de-ionized", or bottled drinking water)."

"NOTE: Common cooling additives, such as antifreeze and Water Wetter, in addition to lowering the heat conduction of water, can degrade some materials and are not recommended for addition in Koolance systems."
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post #153 of 246
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Never seen a Cu-Ni block?
http://www.guru3d.com/news/ek-stops-nickelplated-water-block-production/
EK uses Nickel Plating on its Copper blocks to stop the copper from corroding. This is where the issue has come up with their blocks and defects in the plating.

You completely missed the point of my post.

It was a sarcastic response to a quote I posted. *smacks head*
     
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You completely missed the point of my post.
It was a sarcastic response to a quote I posted. *smacks head*

Oh, Oops. Lol, sorry... Been doing research all day, guess Im in a "Whats typed is whats meant" funk.
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Oh, Oops. Lol, sorry... Been doing research all day, guess Im in a "Whats typed is whats meant" funk.

All good. How about a grouphug.gif?
     
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Well they should know that 80% of people with WC uses Dis-water + silver WC started (99% wc comunity knows about dis-water and silver). Koolance is well aware of this since they started making water blocks for a long time. Why wouldn't they specify NOT TO USE PTNUKE/SILVER COIL. i'll tell you why..... is because if they do specify it and that it will void warranty people would stop buying their product for the reason that other companies do offer warranty using your own liquid.
If it was such a thread not to use water with silver why haven't they release info on it and warning everyone to stop using dis-water/silver because i will cause corrosion on their water blocks.
This is the only info i found in koolance website;
"Using domestic tap water can encourage corrosion. Tap water contains numerous trace elements that can accelerate this process. This is the reason distilled water should be used (not "purified", "de-ionized", or bottled drinking water)."
"NOTE: Common cooling additives, such as antifreeze and Water Wetter, in addition to lowering the heat conduction of water, can degrade some materials and are not recommended for addition in Koolance systems."

Hmm, good point. However, I'm not sure they need to specify to not use something they don't recommend in the first place.

Also, they already said "be aware that silver can react with some alloy types of nickel". Not all nickel will react the same way, and I'm sure there are lots of people running Di-water+silver in a nickel plated block with no issues.

Even if they did specify to not use silver/pt, people would still use it, AND try to RMA.
Edited by lol12ek - 12/1/11 at 1:49pm
post #157 of 246
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Hmm, good point. However, I'm not sure they need to specify to not use something they don't recommend in the first place.
Also, they already said "be aware that silver can react with some alloy types of nickel". Not all nickel will react the same way, and I'm sure there are lots of people running Di-water+silver in a nickel plated block with no issues.
Even if they did specify to not use silver/pt, people would still use it, AND try to RMA.

They have to specified just like they did with Anti-freeze which can cause damage to the WC. They wait for people to rma their blocks and then to find out that their RMA has been denied because they use distilled water with ptnuke. Pump companies specify not to run the pump without water. some people still do for a few second but i would not dare to do it cause i know it would cause damage and void warranty. If they would not specify then i would be one of those people running the pump without water if i needed to test the pump for power etc.

just to give you an example. here is Aqua-computer (aquafx GPU blocks)

here is what they say about their warranty.

"At this point we would like again to point out that we can not be held liable for damages that occured through the use of any other cooling fluid besides distilled water"

from that point it is clear that they do not recommend ANY OTHER COOLANT not koolance, not pc ice. only distilled water.

i email aqua-computer about ptnuke and this was their reply.


"PT-Nuke does not affect our nickle-plated blocks, we recommend the use of pt-nuke with distilled water"

i guess koolance is looking very stupid right now
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They have to specified just like they did with Anti-freeze which can cause damage to the WC. They wait for people to rma their blocks and then to find out that their RMA has been denied because they use distilled water with ptnuke. Pump companies specify not to run the pump without water. some people still do for a few second but i would not dare to do it cause i know it would cause damage and void warranty. If they would not specify then i would be one of those people running the pump without water if i needed to test the pump for power etc.
just to give you an example. here is Aqua-computer (aquafx GPU blocks)
here is what they say about their warranty.
"At this point we would like again to point out that we can not be held liable for damages that occured through the use of any other cooling fluid besides distilled water"
from that point it is clear that they do not recommend ANY OTHER COOLANT not koolance, not pc ice. only distilled water.
i email aqua-computer about ptnuke and this was their reply.
"PT-Nuke does not affect our nickle-plated blocks, we recommend the use of pt-nuke with distilled water"
i guess koolance is looking very stupid right now

then why do they sell own liquid?
just for fun? I mean who the hell goes and uses aluminum in loop. one must be pretty crazy to do so nowadays.
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Yea I think we need to all use gold blocks and saltwater biggrin.gif
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I got a reply from Koolance. They offered a solution that I consider to be pretty much made of win. The first invoice I linked didn't have the billing info (my bad) so I sent scans with the info. That was at 3:02pm my time. 3:36pm I got the reply.

The picture I sent them was the same one I posted here, my build log, and the 590 thread. They clearly read the posts, as the email mentioned the fitment problem. That's pretty awesome if you ask me. Not sure if it'll make it out tonight as I want to tr and remove all the finger prints from when I had the machinists look at the possibility of modifying it to fit the new 590. But that's what a box of q-tips and isopropyl is for, right?
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