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Ouch. I hope poor AMD doesn't go under. No competition for Intel is bad for everyone.
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Originally Posted by Vagrant Storm;15379978 
0x101...the watch dog. That is one the few BSODs that pretty much never leave any doubt as to the cause. 0x101 means you have an unstable CPU or is otherwise unresponsive. Something every one on this forum should have seen coutless times. Could be clocked too high or not getting fed enough power. If this is stock settings...then this is bad...really bad.

I sincerely hope AMD gets their stuff together...
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Originally Posted by heraisu;15375621 
Not everything can be die-shrunk.

You just have to keep doing some adjustments, but it's not at all impossible. Take the Radeon HD2900XT, which was manufactured with 80nm tech, then the HD3870 was manufactured with 55nm tech, and then the Radeon HD5500 and HD5600 series, which has 320 or 400 shaders and is based on the same architecure, is made with 40nm tech.

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Originally Posted by Vagrant Storm;15379978 
0x101...the watch dog. That is one the few BSODs that pretty much never leave any doubt as to the cause. 0x101 means you have an unstable CPU or is otherwise unresponsive. Something every one on this forum should have seen coutless times. Could be clocked too high or not getting fed enough power. If this is stock settings...then this is bad...really bad.
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Originally Posted by Vagrant Storm;15380266 
Have you tried to undercl...undercl...undercl...*error word not in vocabulary* not have the stock clock as high? Or up the vcore a bit? Sucks that some one would need to mess around with anything at "stock" settings, but my guess is that stock settings is really an unstable overclock on some CPUs, but the higher clock at lower vcore just made the CPU look better or worked on the CPUs they happened to test.

Wasn't there an AMD release earlier this year saying the stock speed of the Bulldozer flagship was going to be like 2.8GHz or something? Meh...I can't find anything official, but there was leaked CPU-Z's in May that showed an ES chip at 2.8GHz. I might have been thinking of that.


lol, that "undercl...undercl...undercl...*error word not in vocabulary*" made me laugh. biggrin.gif

Yes, I also recall reading that Bulldozer would have lower clockspeeds. Maybe these last delays were because AMD was increasing clockspeed to compensate for the lack of performance, but given that the chip is very big, with 16 MB of cache and they don't have much experience with the 32nm process, they probably tried to get the voltage as low as they could to minimize wasted power. Probably the yields are still not consistent enough and thus the voltage they set (which is probably too low for comfort) is not enough for all the CPUs.

I recall a forum member here on OCN selling a GTX480 a few months ago and he had to slightly increase the GPU voltage because otherwise it would artifact in games. From what I recall, it was one of the first cards, and probably had this same problem; later cards came with a slightly higher voltage that solved the problem. The GTX480 has quite a few leaky transistors and the lower voltage was an attempt to keep power consumption as low as possible.
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lol, that "undercl...undercl...undercl...*error word not in vocabulary*" made me laugh. biggrin.gif

Yes, I also recall reading that Bulldozer would have lower clockspeeds. Maybe these last delays were because AMD was increasing clockspeed to compensate for the lack of performance, but given that the chip is very big, with 16 MB of cache and they don't have much experience with the 32nm process, they probably tried to get the voltage as low as they could to minimize wasted power. Probably the yields are still not consistent enough and thus the voltage they set (which is probably too low for comfort) is not enough for all the CPUs.

I recall a forum member here on OCN selling a GTX480 a few months ago and he had to slightly increase the GPU voltage because otherwise it would artifact in games. From what I recall, it was one of the first cards, and probably had this same problem; later cards came with a slightly higher voltage that solved the problem. The GTX480 has quite a few leaky transistors and the lower voltage was an attempt to keep power consumption as low as possible.

I think this is definately a possiblity and I don't really think it is unreasonable considering it is new. They may have pulled random CPUs from the mix to test and they all worked fine too, but a higher than expected amount of what wasn't tested is having issues. Though that would take some bad luck or poor testing for that to happen.

I just don't see it going very well for AMD when they tell people to feed more power into their CPU or lower the clock to resolve the BSOD issue.
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So much for your "Ready Willing Stable" motto, eh AMD?
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Source doens't work for me.

Why was this product even released?

For people who want to pay to beta test their architecture, and maybe pay for R&D costs for Piledriver.
    
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Maybe AMD should take a Q from Intel and release a new chipset with new CPU architecture.This might cure many of the issues.
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Originally Posted by polar;15387352 
Maybe AMD should take a Q from Intel and release a new chipset with new CPU architecture.This might cure many of the issues.

Like the P67 which took a B3 revision to fix their SATA problems?

It's not all smooth sailing on the Intel side either and I've been using all Intel since the Core 2 Duo E7200.
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Originally Posted by Evil Penguin;15379896 
Here's a screenshot I took:

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I'm getting that even without gaming, just web browsing.

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AMD just can't seem to catch a break these days huh? Then again, random BSODs @ stock clocks are completely unacceptable.
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Originally Posted by RallyMaster;15387648 
Like the P67 which took a B3 revision to fix their SATA problems?

It's not all smooth sailing on the Intel side either and I've been using all Intel since the Core 2 Duo E7200.

Well...I am not saying that Intel has never had issues, but that was a mother board issue and nothing to do with the CPU unless I really missed something there. Plus it didn't happer performance. It worked great till it died. tongue.gif Though if it died the owner could get it replaced.

Plus I am sure there are many pre-B3 mother boards still running just fine too.

I don't think there are any issues in the hardware world that can compare to Bulldozer, save for Netburst or possibly the bug in the Phenom I's
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