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I got my Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD in the mail today, uninstalled Realtek audio drivers, used DriverSweeper to delete the remaining Realtek drivers, and then proceeded to install the card. I booted up, ran the CD, got all the drivers/software installed.

On default, this setting "X-Fi CMSS-3D" is enabled. I think it's some sort of 3D positioning settings, but it makes music sound like crap. I bought this card 99% of the reason to game, but I wasn't expecting music to sound worse than onboard. Disabling it makes it sound as good as it used to, perhaps better, not too sure... so would disabling it remove 3D positioning make drivers act like my headset was 2 speakers? Is this setting suppose to be enabled or is it just one of those funky over-ride drivers?

Also, I get a little quiet "click" every few seconds of audio. I haven't tested any games yet (will after posting this thread) but it's sort of annoying when listening to music that isn't headbanging (aka quiet).
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On default, this setting "X-Fi CMSS-3D" is enabled. I think it's some sort of 3D positioning settings, but it makes music sound like crap.

CMSS-3D is a software 3D positioning simulator. It is designed to simulate 7.1 audio through 2.0/2.1 setups. It works OK, and is one of the best solutions for fake 3D audio, but like anything that performs surgery on your audio before outputting it, it is going to distort your music.
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I bought this card 99% of the reason to game, but I wasn't expecting music to sound worse than onboard.

It doesn't sound worse than onboard. Promise. You just need to use the right settings for the application. You said you bought it 99% for gaming, but do you value 3D positioning more, or Audio Quality in said games?
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Disabling it makes it sound as good as it used to, perhaps better, not too sure... so would disabling it remove 3D positioning make drivers act like my headset was 2 speakers? Is this setting suppose to be enabled or is it just one of those funky over-ride drivers? (EDIT: With this disabled, music sounds GREAT)

It's a feature exclusively designed for fake 3D positioning. The only media which benefits in any sort of way from 3D positioning are Games and Movies (and even then, its up to you if the positioning is important enough to sacrifice audio quality). There is never a reason to use it for 2 channel music, or for outputting anything to a physical 5.1/7.1 setup.
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Also, I get a little quiet "click" every few seconds of audio. I haven't tested any games yet (will after posting this thread) but it's sort of annoying when listening to music that isn't headbanging (aka quiet).

That is not normal. Please confirm it is actually the card, and not your audio source. You may be hearing the imperfections in poorly compressed/recorded mp3 files that your old card was not detailed enough to pick up on. It could also be some sort of interference (electrical) from another component. Where is it physically installed?



The Titanium HD is one of the very best sounding media/gaming soundcards, it IS better than your onboard, there is no question about that.

It does however have a plethora of options which can either increase or decrease audio quality. There are plenty of guides here on OCN and elsewhere which describe how to get the best setup for a particular goal (be it bit-matched audio quality perfection, convincing and responsive 3d positioning, or Vibrant and exciting (although distorted and heavily colored) effects.

Given the 3 audio processing modes built into the software, with each keeping its settings indepentantly of the others, there is no reason you cant quickly switch between gaming mode for games, and audio creation / entertainment mode for your music / movies.
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Thanks for the lengthy reply! I disabled the 3D audio, but now I can't really tell the difference from my onboard sound to my sound card.. Perhaps my heatset isn't showing the full potential of the sound card (Razer Carcharias ATM) or maybe I just don't have attention to sound detail?
As for the 3D positioning vs. overall sound quality... sound quality all the way. With my onboard, I sound-whore'd everyone out in FPS games, I just thought that getting a dedicated card would be better in all aspects.
Well, either way, I'll report back in a week.. I haven't played enough games in the short time since installing it biggrin.gif

Thank you again for your detailed reply.

Also, looking at the Device Manager, I have 4 controllers enabled; two "AMD High Definition Audio Device", my "Creative SB X-Fi", and "High Definition Audio Device". Can I disable all but the X-Fi, or does it not matter? All I use are the back audio jacks.
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Just disable everything, but the X-Fi as you wont be using the other ones anyway.

Your problem is probably the Razer Carcharias headset. I highly doubt the sound quality on that would compare to even a cheaper JVC HARX700 I'm sure would give you better sound quality.

Gaming headsets and Sound quality don't normally go together, if ever.
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You can disable everything other than the X-Fi if you only use the back-panal connections on the card itself. It SHOULD be unneeded, but it wont help, and could help a bit of you are having issues.

The x-fi is for sure better than the onboard, in a multitude of ways, but as stated earlier you need to configure it right. I highly suggest you look up some of the threads on optimizing x-fi cards. They all follow the same rules.

And of course as you said, your headphones and/or ears may just not be sensitive enough to tell.

Last thing is, most games have very poor quality, highly compressed audio. Chances are, your music collection is as well. Try downloading some FLAC versions of your music, and run it through a program which can output properly, such as foobar2000 with wasapi plugin. (make sure its a native flac, and not some lossy file upmixed into flac)
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Just disable everything, but the X-Fi as you wont be using the other ones anyway.

Your problem is probably the Razer Carcharias headset. I highly doubt the sound quality on that would compare to even a cheaper JVC HARX700 I'm sure would give you better sound quality.

Gaming headsets and Sound quality don't normally go together, if ever.

The Carcharias is half-decent. If I recall its a rebranded and re-housed low-end sennheiser. It's not you're typical terrible gimmicky gamer headphone, but its certainly not high quality, not even for its price.
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The Carcharias is half-decent. If I recall its a rebranded and re-housed low-end sennheiser. It's not you're typical terrible gimmicky gamer headphone, but its certainly not high quality, not even for its price.

Rebranded Fischer Audio Phoenix actually. The X-Fi card is leaps above the onboard though. Do you have any 320kbps mp3's or as others have mentioned FLAC files? You might wanna invest in a pair of new headphones otherwise.
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Rebranded Fischer Audio Phoenix actually. The X-Fi card is leaps above the onboard though. Do you have any 320kbps mp3's or as others have mentioned FLAC files? You might wanna invest in a pair of new headphones otherwise.

Ah right thats it. For sure check out some higher quality audio and those guides. (quick tip, use audio creation mode, set it to the same frequency as your audio files were recorded in, and enable bit matched audio. turn EVERYTHING ELSE off, and use a media player that can output aiso or wasapi. Best way to do a test of the actual sound quality.)
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I bought one of the cards of the forum and can't use it. Oh well back to onboard:(
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Originally Posted by bigmac11;15381100 
I bought one of the cards of the forum and can't use it. Oh well back to onboard:(

Umm... is that somehow relevant?
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Kingston HyperX T1 Intel X25-M WD Caviar Black FASS Plextor M5S 
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WD Velociraptor WD Caviar Black FALS Sony DVD Burner w/ Lightscribe LG Bluray + HDDVD 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Black Ice GTX 360 Black Ice GTX 240 Panaflo High Speed - Push-Pull w/ shrouds Windows 7 Pro (64) 
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Ubuntu (64) X-Star DP2710 ASUS VK266H Black 25.5" 2ms LCD X-Armor U9BL (Mech) 
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WD Caviar Green EARS 2TB Vertex Turbo 60GB (SSD) Samsung Blu-ray, Samsung DVD Burner H50 (With push/pull nocturas) 
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Windows 10 Professional 64 LG 47inch LED LCD Saitek Eclipse Lite-touch Wireless Seasonic X750 Gold 
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