Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Mice › Going from a spawn to a g100 views/thoughts/review
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Going from a spawn to a g100 views/thoughts/review

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
So the g100 just got in today and its looking pretty good so far form/feel wise

I'm going to update it as i play more but here are some initial thoughts.....

g100.png

it has the SAME issue the g300 has no surprise there as you can see it isnt a consistent jitter but there is jitter

i cant say what is making it jitter maybe logitech has a jitter timer built in but it happens

the software is fine and any software is fine for that matter as long as it doesnt mess with the sensor. the g300 and g400 and prob this g100 have issues with jitter after the software is installed but i seem to think its jittering before and after the software so that usually means its ppl who dont REALLY test it pre software and then assume it was a software issue

the mouse shape is as most would see from simply looking at it super standard mouse shape. its fine for me to claw but if i try to palm it it feels odd because its not a tall mouse. when you go to palm it then tighten the grip, your hand slides up into a claw grip anyway which leads me to believe you must have a very odd palm grip in order to palm grip this mouse


you can turn on/off acceleration via 4 options which i havent seen before...
g1001.png

im gonna update this more if anything comes up



CMcarter tells me they too have had jitter issues that they are fixing atm so it seems logitech jumped the gun on this one and we need to wait for firmware

if anyone actually responds to my wanted thread ill test the mouse on more then just my qck and my blue hard puretrak pads heh




here is the best part but possibly also the worst part about the mouse... DPI changing is done by steps of 50. i imagine this is not going to be pixal precise steps and some sort of skipping or lack of precision is going to exist

it isnt as smooth as spawn and the LOD is slightly worse then spawn but we see

notes as i go/use it -

- clicks are LOUD imo at least. the standard mouse click sound is a deeper click sound. this is a much louder sound. also the mouse clicks feel cheaper if that makes any sense. when i click a spawn it feels firm yet nice enough to click but the logitech clicks feel hollow and empty

- on my "optical hard pad" from failtrak the g100 seems to track a TON better. i cant control a mouse on a hard pad for the life of me tho... so
Edited by eosgreen - 10/19/11 at 7:22pm
Almost done...
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500K 4.6ghz P67 Sabertooth Asus 560 ti 4g Dominator Ram w/EKBlock 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Corsair 120g force 3 ssd - Caviar Black WD 500g Asus Windows 7 21.5 Inch 1920/1080 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair AX850w M8 Spawn Qck 
  hide details  
Reply
Almost done...
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500K 4.6ghz P67 Sabertooth Asus 560 ti 4g Dominator Ram w/EKBlock 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Corsair 120g force 3 ssd - Caviar Black WD 500g Asus Windows 7 21.5 Inch 1920/1080 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair AX850w M8 Spawn Qck 
  hide details  
Reply
post #2 of 12
Mine sort of worked on 500 & 1000 on the allsop raindrop xl.
post #3 of 12
Software causes jitter, Setpoint and Logitech Gaming both cause it. that's why pro gamers don't use the software with the MX518/G400.

I tested the software isntaleld/uninstalled on my G400, and there's none at all without the software. I never tested it with the MX518, which uses Setpoint and not Logitech Gaming Software.
Edited by baws - 10/20/11 at 1:06am
Custom Build
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II 955 x4 Gigabyte 880GM-D2H MSI 5770  Corsair 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit Samsung Syncmaster 753DF 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
I-Rocks KR-6290 Coolmax 600W Coolermaster Elite 430 Black Logitech G400 
Mouse PadAudio
PureTrak Talent Realtek Onboard 
  hide details  
Reply
Custom Build
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II 955 x4 Gigabyte 880GM-D2H MSI 5770  Corsair 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit Samsung Syncmaster 753DF 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
I-Rocks KR-6290 Coolmax 600W Coolermaster Elite 430 Black Logitech G400 
Mouse PadAudio
PureTrak Talent Realtek Onboard 
  hide details  
Reply
post #4 of 12
MX518 never had a issue as far as I know with Set point. G400 on the other hand doesn't either as long as you use 800dpi/3600dpi with the newest G-Series software. I dont even bother with the software though as I use 800dpi anyways and prefer the 1000hz polling rate.
^_^
(13 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 2600K ASRock Z68 EXTREME4 GEN3 Gigabyte Windforce 7970 OC Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 
CoolingMonitorPowerCase
Noctua D14 Asus VG248QE Corsair TX 750 V2 Corsair 650D 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
G400, MX518, G500, G5, IMO 1.1, IME 3.0, Deatha... fUnC 1030, QCK+, QCK Heavy, PureTrak Talent Whi... X-Fi Titanium HD Sennheiser HD555 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel i7 2.4GHz Intel HD 4000 8GB 256GB SSD 
Monitor
2880 x 1800 Retina 
  hide details  
Reply
^_^
(13 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 2600K ASRock Z68 EXTREME4 GEN3 Gigabyte Windforce 7970 OC Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 
CoolingMonitorPowerCase
Noctua D14 Asus VG248QE Corsair TX 750 V2 Corsair 650D 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
G400, MX518, G500, G5, IMO 1.1, IME 3.0, Deatha... fUnC 1030, QCK+, QCK Heavy, PureTrak Talent Whi... X-Fi Titanium HD Sennheiser HD555 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel i7 2.4GHz Intel HD 4000 8GB 256GB SSD 
Monitor
2880 x 1800 Retina 
  hide details  
Reply
post #5 of 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by dmasteR;15378572 
MX518 never had a issue as far as I know with Set point.

It did with me, and I had the first AND second revisions of that mouse, both suffered from the same problem in SetPoint (locked DPI, seemed to be between 1000 and 1400). It didn't jitter, however.
Deep Blood
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 920 D0 (Batch # 3901A240) Foxconn X58 Blood Rage (non-GTI) eVGA GeForce GTX670 2GB 6GB Corsair Dominator 1.6GHz TR3X6G1600C8D Rev 3.2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung SSD830 128GB / Seagate 640GB+1TB+2TB+4TB Samsung SH-S223Q 22X XTTH | OCZ Freeze | 9G1212H1011 Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2410f (rev. A02) Code 104 w/O-rings + Vortex doubleshot keycaps Antec HCPP-850 CaseLabs SM8 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Logitech G500 Sharkoon 1337 Asus Xonar DX + Swan D1080MkII08 + MXL Tempo Lifecam Cinema 
  hide details  
Reply
Deep Blood
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 920 D0 (Batch # 3901A240) Foxconn X58 Blood Rage (non-GTI) eVGA GeForce GTX670 2GB 6GB Corsair Dominator 1.6GHz TR3X6G1600C8D Rev 3.2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung SSD830 128GB / Seagate 640GB+1TB+2TB+4TB Samsung SH-S223Q 22X XTTH | OCZ Freeze | 9G1212H1011 Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2410f (rev. A02) Code 104 w/O-rings + Vortex doubleshot keycaps Antec HCPP-850 CaseLabs SM8 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Logitech G500 Sharkoon 1337 Asus Xonar DX + Swan D1080MkII08 + MXL Tempo Lifecam Cinema 
  hide details  
Reply
post #6 of 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chunky_Chimp;15378580 
It did with me, and I had the first AND second revisions of that mouse, both suffered from the same problem in SetPoint (locked DPI, seemed to be between 1000 and 1400). It didn't jitter, however.

Err was talking about the jitter issue.
^_^
(13 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 2600K ASRock Z68 EXTREME4 GEN3 Gigabyte Windforce 7970 OC Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 
CoolingMonitorPowerCase
Noctua D14 Asus VG248QE Corsair TX 750 V2 Corsair 650D 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
G400, MX518, G500, G5, IMO 1.1, IME 3.0, Deatha... fUnC 1030, QCK+, QCK Heavy, PureTrak Talent Whi... X-Fi Titanium HD Sennheiser HD555 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel i7 2.4GHz Intel HD 4000 8GB 256GB SSD 
Monitor
2880 x 1800 Retina 
  hide details  
Reply
^_^
(13 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 2600K ASRock Z68 EXTREME4 GEN3 Gigabyte Windforce 7970 OC Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 
CoolingMonitorPowerCase
Noctua D14 Asus VG248QE Corsair TX 750 V2 Corsair 650D 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
G400, MX518, G500, G5, IMO 1.1, IME 3.0, Deatha... fUnC 1030, QCK+, QCK Heavy, PureTrak Talent Whi... X-Fi Titanium HD Sennheiser HD555 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel i7 2.4GHz Intel HD 4000 8GB 256GB SSD 
Monitor
2880 x 1800 Retina 
  hide details  
Reply
post #7 of 12
I just noticed they released a new version of the G-Software 2 days ago. lol

Wow, they actually fixed it. I get no jitter at all with 400/800 DPI.
Edited by baws - 10/20/11 at 2:27am
Custom Build
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II 955 x4 Gigabyte 880GM-D2H MSI 5770  Corsair 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit Samsung Syncmaster 753DF 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
I-Rocks KR-6290 Coolmax 600W Coolermaster Elite 430 Black Logitech G400 
Mouse PadAudio
PureTrak Talent Realtek Onboard 
  hide details  
Reply
Custom Build
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II 955 x4 Gigabyte 880GM-D2H MSI 5770  Corsair 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit Samsung Syncmaster 753DF 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
I-Rocks KR-6290 Coolmax 600W Coolermaster Elite 430 Black Logitech G400 
Mouse PadAudio
PureTrak Talent Realtek Onboard 
  hide details  
Reply
post #8 of 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by dmasteR;15378782 
Err was talking about the jitter issue.

I know. Just noting I didn't get jitter with it, either, only DPI locking.
Deep Blood
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 920 D0 (Batch # 3901A240) Foxconn X58 Blood Rage (non-GTI) eVGA GeForce GTX670 2GB 6GB Corsair Dominator 1.6GHz TR3X6G1600C8D Rev 3.2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung SSD830 128GB / Seagate 640GB+1TB+2TB+4TB Samsung SH-S223Q 22X XTTH | OCZ Freeze | 9G1212H1011 Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2410f (rev. A02) Code 104 w/O-rings + Vortex doubleshot keycaps Antec HCPP-850 CaseLabs SM8 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Logitech G500 Sharkoon 1337 Asus Xonar DX + Swan D1080MkII08 + MXL Tempo Lifecam Cinema 
  hide details  
Reply
Deep Blood
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 920 D0 (Batch # 3901A240) Foxconn X58 Blood Rage (non-GTI) eVGA GeForce GTX670 2GB 6GB Corsair Dominator 1.6GHz TR3X6G1600C8D Rev 3.2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung SSD830 128GB / Seagate 640GB+1TB+2TB+4TB Samsung SH-S223Q 22X XTTH | OCZ Freeze | 9G1212H1011 Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2410f (rev. A02) Code 104 w/O-rings + Vortex doubleshot keycaps Antec HCPP-850 CaseLabs SM8 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Logitech G500 Sharkoon 1337 Asus Xonar DX + Swan D1080MkII08 + MXL Tempo Lifecam Cinema 
  hide details  
Reply
post #9 of 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by baws;15378464 
Software causes jitter, Setpoint and Logitech Gaming both cause it. that's why pro gamers don't use the software with the MX518/G400.

I tested the software isntaleld/uninstalled on my G400, and there's none at all without the software. I never tested it with the MX518, which uses Setpoint and not Logitech Gaming Software.

While the original 518 had a different driver method based on the original scaling of the ADNS-3080, the 518 v2 and G400's practically shared the same concept of capping the CPI at the highest value and interpolating down via the MCU. So Instead of scaling down from 1800 CPI, the G400 used a more sensitive 3600 CPI value.

I don't believe the 518 v2 shared the same jitter issue (Since 1800 CPI isn't as "precise"), but it did suffer from a lower perfect control and malfunction point based on the original scaling methods Logitech choose.

As you could tell with 8.12, there is a new scaling method. Instead of only interpolating down from 3600, it now uses the default and native values of 400/800/1800/3600. While the main focus here was jitter, this indirectly helped boost the maximum tracking rates under drivers. While driver less still seems to register higher counts, the driver shouldn't hinder anyone as long as they're using the CPI values above.

As for the G100, I would recommend using a solid/clean cloth or hard pad as this sensor/lens is extremely sensitive to surfaces and patterns. The higher you raise the CPI value, the more and more the jitter is apparent. (As with any mouse, although this sensor takes it to the extreme)

The drivers don't seem to add to the problem, but rather help it when you select lower CPI settings.
Edited by Skylit - 10/20/11 at 8:29am
post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skylit;15381086 
While the original 518 had a different driver method based on the original scaling of the ADNS-3080, the 518 v2 and G400's practically shared the same concept of capping the CPI at the highest value and interpolating down via the MCU. So Instead of scaling down from 1800 CPI, the G400 used a more sensitive 3600 CPI value.

I don't believe the 518 v2 shared the same jitter issue (Since 1800 CPI isn't as "precise"), but it did suffer from a lower perfect control and malfunction point based on the original scaling methods Logitech choose.

As you could tell with 8.12, there is a new scaling method. Instead of only interpolating down from 3600, it now uses the default and native values of 400/800/1800/3600. While the main focus here was jitter, this indirectly helped boost the maximum tracking rates under drivers. While driver less still seems to register higher counts, the driver shouldn't hinder anyone as long as they're using the CPI values above.

As for the G100, I would recommend using a solid/clean cloth or hard pad as this sensor/lens is extremely sensitive to surfaces and patterns. The higher you raise the CPI value, the more and more the jitter is apparent. (As with any mouse, although this sensor takes it to the extreme)

The drivers don't seem to add to the problem, but rather help it when you select lower CPI settings.


i agree but as i said i dont feel it is software related

also the dpi settings i tried were standard and 1450 and they ALL track 10 times better on a hard pad then the qck

i get upset when they tell you about adjusting dpi but there is a "catch" no catch lol just make a mouse work or dont do a gimic i say
Almost done...
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500K 4.6ghz P67 Sabertooth Asus 560 ti 4g Dominator Ram w/EKBlock 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Corsair 120g force 3 ssd - Caviar Black WD 500g Asus Windows 7 21.5 Inch 1920/1080 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair AX850w M8 Spawn Qck 
  hide details  
Reply
Almost done...
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500K 4.6ghz P67 Sabertooth Asus 560 ti 4g Dominator Ram w/EKBlock 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Corsair 120g force 3 ssd - Caviar Black WD 500g Asus Windows 7 21.5 Inch 1920/1080 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair AX850w M8 Spawn Qck 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Mice
Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Mice › Going from a spawn to a g100 views/thoughts/review