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Article says you probably won't be able to buy them until Spring 2012.
Spring 2012 is Q4 2011 I believe. It is referring to the financial quarter of 2011 which ends in April 2012.

I'm wrong a lot though.
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IB is going to disappoint, the 20% tdp drop almost completely negates the frequency increase from the shrink.. i predict it'll be 10% faster than sb @ same price point
Um, no. That makes no sense.

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You do realize that lower TDP is better? It means it consumes less power at a higher frequency. 77W is less than 95W.

It will also overclock higher, potentially 500mhz-1000mhz because of three large factors. 45nm to 32nm had only two factors, yet you get 500mhz-1000mhz more out of your CPU; Die shrink and refined architecture.

32nm to 22nm has three factors; Die shrink, 3D Transistors and a refined architecture.
This. But.. at the same time. There are a few running around OCN predicting "30% higher IPC" with Ivy and that's equally nonsensical.

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Spring 2012 is Q4 2011 I believe. It is referring to the financial quarter of 2011 which ends in April 2012.

I'm wrong a lot though.
I do believe you're wrong. I think they're speaking about literal Q4 2011/Q1 2012. Get the CPUs to board makers and OEMs by Xmas (remember it takes several months to go from wafer to finished CPU), spend twice as long as they did with SB looking for errors, and start selling whenever they feel like it.

It's not like there's any pressure.. just from their own, previous products performing so well. I literally cannot believe the number of "4.5+" SB owners wanting Ivy. What software (more likely, game) is there that your CPU cannot run perfectly well already? My Lynnfield certainly doesn't strain.. and it's not anywhere near 4.5.
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This. But.. at the same time. There are a few running around OCN predicting "30% higher IPC" with Ivy and that's equally nonsensical.
Well Intel did say that 3D transistors will either enable 50% less power consumption as SB at the same frequency, or 37% more performance with the same power consumption. They did not state if that 37% more performance is frequency or IPC.
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I do believe you're wrong. I think they're speaking about literal Q4 2011/Q1 2012. Get the CPUs to board makers and OEMs by Xmas (remember it takes several months to go from wafer to finished CPU), spend twice as long as they did with SB looking for errors, and start selling whenever they feel like it.
You think? I've seen some companies use fiscal quarters and others use literal quarters. It's sometimes hard to see who's using what.
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Oh sheesh yall
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so fast in tight moment. not long after SB-E out then IB will out. Really makes me confuse when the right time to upgrade...
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It will only be disappointing if you believe all the rumours.
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You do realize that lower TDP is better? It means it consumes less power at a higher frequency. 77W is less than 95W.

It will also overclock higher, potentially 500mhz-1000mhz because of three large factors. 45nm to 32nm had only two factors, yet you get 500mhz-1000mhz more out of your CPU; Die shrink and refined architecture.

32nm to 22nm has three factors; Die shrink, 3D Transistors and a refined architecture.
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Um, no. That makes no sense.
oh really? Look back at other die shrinks by intel: the result is always the same - either around 25% more clock speed or 25% less tdp. The 45nm to 32nm jump on nehalem was done while keeping the same TDP hence the frequency bump but now that intel is dropping tdp by that much there wont be much left for boosting frequency. Also keep in mind that smaller chips besides consuming less power can also handle less power so i wouldnt be so overly enthusiastic about their OC abilities.

Ofc the 3d transistor is a unknown at this point but intel said its capable of 37% more work @ same power consumption which is 12% more then your regular die shrink but we'll see, personally i think its just marketing blah blah - since when does laboratory setting optimum result actually make it to the end user?
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oh really? Look back at other die shrinks by intel: the result is always the same - either around 25% more clock speed or 25% less tdp. The 45nm to 32nm jump on nehalem was done while keeping the same TDP hence the frequency bump but now that intel is dropping tdp by that much there wont be much left for boosting frequency. Also keep in mind that smaller chips besides consuming less power can also handle less power so i wouldnt be so overly enthusiastic about their OC abilities.
You worded your earlier post wrong. It sounded like you were saying 95W is better than 77W. The earlier bumps didn't have 3D transistors, and I wasn't talking about stock clocks, I was talking about overclocking.

You're also forgetting that even though SB die size is 216 mm², Bloomfield being 263 mm², it overclocks 500mhz-1000mhz better.

Why do you think that 32nm to 22nm, coupled with 3D transistors, won't allow a similar increase in overclocking potential?
Edited by Devilmaypoop - 10/20/11 at 5:38am
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You worded your earlier post wrong. It sounded like you were saying 95W is better than 77W. The earlier bumps didn't have 3D transistors, and I wasn't talking about stock clocks, I was talking about overclocking.

You're also forgetting that even though SB die size is 216 mm², Bloomfield being 263 mm², it overclocks 500mhz-1000mhz better.
ok to clarify: obviously less watts per performance is better but this time since intel doesn't have to compete in performance(blame amd) they went for power optimization over performance increase which is great for guys that worry about electricity bills like server farms but not so great for the folk attending this forum (gamers mostly), also if you go and check 32nm nehalem cores OC by lower percentage than 45nm ones (allthough they do reach higher clocks)

the bloomfield to sandy bridge comparison being irrelevant since its a different architecture
Edited by hazarada - 10/20/11 at 5:44am
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I really to know two things very soon.

a) Whether or not Ivy Bridge chips really work (I understand there is an update out but there is nothing to say you can drop the chips in.

b) Some benchmarks to give me an idea of the performance

I'm strongly considering selling my CPU and upgrading to this.
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