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Okay, WoW may or may not benefit from higher random access speeds. Do you really think the average person needs a bigger SSD to accommodate the shortcomings of a single game?

Write performance may decline, but again, it depends on how much spare area you have.
Your homework is to go and try it out yourself rather than making up nonsense here. Test WOW/TOR/GA out and see for yourself what happens when not using a SSD. Second, you just repeated what I said about the SSD slowing down when your drive is near full. So what was your point in trying to argue again?


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Exactly, and because I'm willing to shell out ~$300 for an SSD, I'm actually considering getting 120GB Vertex Plus (Indilinx controller) RAID0 because it's so damn cheap for the size and I know I won't notice the difference between it and a Sandforce.



None of those games benefit greatly from an SSD.

WoW, The Sims 3, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas and Skyrim are the only games to benefit greatly from an SSD, hell, even those can run without one. (I'm running a texture pack on FO3 that recommends an SSD, but running on a drive separate from my OS makes it run fine, but mind you the guy also recommended over 4GB RAM, SLI/CFX and a OCed i5/i7, yet I never drop below 30fps with my single 470 and E6700)



Then you're not using an average scenario, which I was referring to. (I should have made that clear)

For the record, I have ~8GB of programs and ~750GB of games, out of those games...ehh, ~120GB of them would benefit from the SSD. If that, I could install half of them on a separate drive and benefit just as much, but the programs would love the SSD.
TOR definitely runs much faster with a SSD. Using my 2TB drives there's lots of stutter as it loads in new player textures in world pvp or when entering a new area. Don't be so short sighted claiming that your 3 games are the ONLY games to benefit from a SSD. Global Agenda is another MMO/FPS that needs a SSD in order to enable high res player textures, otherwise it stutters all over the place in pvp. Adobe Suite certainly loads much faster with a SSD. Having to swap games back and forth between SSD and disc drives is annoying. Once you have the speed of an SSD you don't want to lose it. 120GB just isn't enough for 2011.
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Out of every game I've tested, yes, including TOR (Are your 2TB drives WD Greens/Samsung F4s? My F3 1TB gets no stuttering at all), those were the only ones to get any major improvement. I haven't tested Global Agenda though (I might later) and Adobe Suite is certainly not a game, nor is it certainly big. I was saying there's no need for 512GB SSDs in consumer space, which unless you can show me proof of over 512GB of programs and games that all run an mechanical HDD into the ground I'm not reversing on.

120GB for FO3, Skyrim, FONV, Oblivion and TS3. Your move.
    
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Here's what I don't understand:

Why buy a 1TB SSD with "560/400" for $1k when you could buy a pair of 480GB SSD for $800 and RAID0 those bad boys to hit closer to 1000/700?
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For nearly everyone on this forum, if you need 512GB+ of SSD space, you're doing it wrong.

$1000 for one? Hey! Buy these up people, most of you complain SSDs aren't at $1/GB yet, this one is!
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Out of every game I've tested, yes, including TOR (Are your 2TB drives WD Greens/Samsung F4s? My F3 1TB gets no stuttering at all), those were the only ones to get any major improvement. I haven't tested Global Agenda though (I might later) and Adobe Suite is certainly not a game, nor is it certainly big. I was saying there's no need for 512GB SSDs in consumer space, which unless you can show me proof of over 512GB of programs and games that all run an mechanical HDD into the ground I'm not reversing on.

120GB for FO3, Skyrim, FONV, Oblivion and TS3. Your move.
There's plenty of more games out there than those... And Adobe suite sure as hell is huge. Are you kidding me? Anyways, having to constantly swap games in and out of your tiny little SSD isn't enjoyable. Just because you only know of 4 games...
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Denser SSDs tend to run faster, so I can see why someone would be interested in dropping a load of dough on a big drive.

LOTRO is another game that's awfully stuttery... even with a solid state drive.
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Out of every game I've tested, yes, including TOR (Are your 2TB drives WD Greens/Samsung F4s? My F3 1TB gets no stuttering at all), those were the only ones to get any major improvement. I haven't tested Global Agenda though (I might later) and Adobe Suite is certainly not a game, nor is it certainly big. I was saying there's no need for 512GB SSDs in consumer space, which unless you can show me proof of over 512GB of programs and games that all run an mechanical HDD into the ground I'm not reversing on.

120GB for FO3, Skyrim, FONV, Oblivion and TS3. Your move.
Its easy to take your "tests" as a grain of salt. No offense, but the difference in loading times with a modern SSD in games and windows application is ridiculously big. Now i'm not going to post benchmarks just to please you, but this is the truth. There is no platter drive that can read 550MB/s. Not even close. And that translates into load times that are much, much faster - and yes, that includes TOR.

Anyway, the main drawback for SSD is obviously price per gigabyte. What I predict is that prices for SSD's will continue to drop and the lines between SSD and platter drives will eventually diminish - we're not at that point yet. But it will come in the future, as SSD's get larger and cheaper.
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Its easy to take your "tests" as a grain of salt. No offense, but the difference in loading times with a modern SSD in games and windows application is ridiculously big. Now i'm not going to post benchmarks just to please you, but this is the truth. There is no platter drive that can read 550MB/s. Not even close. And that translates into load times that are much, much faster - and yes, that includes TOR.
Sequential performance is not the only metric. Each game/application have different loads with a mix of random, sequential, and CPU utilizations.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ance,2991.html
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I currently have 240 GB of SSD and I wish I had double that as I'm filling them up with games and other applications.

I may not NEED 1TB of SSD, but I sure do WANT it. Heck, two 1TB SSDs in RAID0 would be awesome!

It's more about the convenience than anything else.
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Your homework is to go and try it out yourself rather than making up nonsense here. Test WOW/TOR/GA out and see for yourself what happens when not using a SSD. Second, you just repeated what I said about the SSD slowing down when your drive is near full. So what was your point in trying to argue again?
And your homework is to look up the definition of spare area, because you're using that term and "free space" interchangeably after my countless efforts to correct you. I'll say it again, while it depends on the amount of spare area a drive has for write speed performance losses, you won't notice the speed decrease, especially in any modern drive.
Edited by quentin - 10/21/11 at 2:23pm
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