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Because they still make GPU's, APU's and they're still on the market. Their stock isn't dropping into nothingness, people aren't mass resigning, people aren't getting fired, sued, arrested, murdered or committing suicide.

Nothing like that is happening. It's business as usual, and the enthusiast crowd is butthurt because BD doesn't crush Intel, like AMD did that single and solitary time. Because Intel screwed up, that single and solitary time.

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Like I said, read the article; the article is a pretty neutral analysis on the subject.

The issue is quite real. Bulldozer is supposed to replace Phenom II, not compliment it, so Bulldozer must be improved quite a lot to not just offer a justifiable replacement for Phenom II, but to compete with Intel's Ivy Bridge.

Looking at their lineup they have the Phenom II line to attempt to compete with Sandy Bridge, and Llano to compete with Atom (which it does exceedingly well), and that is about it. The other mobile lineup (the "A8" series) is low power, but severely lacking in the CPU arena, though it does offer potent graphics. Bulldozer was supposed to bring competition, but it really didn't, and that is something that needs to be improved upon.
    
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At least they can get a CEO *cough* HP *cough*
The new CEO [Dirk Meyer] is a guy that once told the design team (when he was a manager in Texas) “if you don’t like it, quit†– and 60 out of 100 people in Sunnyvale quit within a month.

^^^ That is not a CEO, IMO.

As for the BD Fiasco - take a look at this quote

The software of today benefits from strong single-threaded performance, and it benefits from giving the CPU plenty of floating point resources. The same will be true of the software of tomorrow. Piledriver, Bulldozer's follow-up, will also be too soon for this kind of software. So will Piledriver's 2013 successor, Steamroller, and its 2014 follow-up, Excavator.
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So based entirely on the article, even though much of it was already known without a nice presentation (Ars did a great job on this) we can conclude:

* It will take a consortium of: better operating system handling (scheduling essentially), a shorter pipeline but still highly clockable, revision on power draw (reduction highly necessary), boosts to cache performance, and a (albeit probably a long ways off) change in mainstream software markets to embrace some loads on multithreaded terms instead of remaining completely single-threaded.

So let me ask this for anyone - mentioned in the article the use of GPU computations for much of what seems to cripple (not the best choice of words, but makes the point) BD performance, could something be written and implemented that would take advantage of a system running a BD and AMD video card, much like PhsyX (obviously different but similar) is handled by Nvidia?
    
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Front end loader is what I have always called them. Never heard them called payloader, and I have worked construction since I was a kid.



Now that's a bulldozer.
They are called a payloader in under ground mines. Raw ore is known as pay dirt, hence payloader.

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Not only that, their graphics division is doing just fine and APUs are too
So AMD will be fine without bulldozer.
Oh you didn't see their stock just drop a $1.50 a share, huh? May not sound like much except it was closing @ 6.00, now 4.51 and falling. That would be 1/6 of the value. IMHO amd has to stop the cash bleed, and fast. May sound like a good buy. AMD is now listed on the do NOT buy list $$$ ?WHY?
IMHO Mrs Jones 6th grade class could do a better job of running a company.
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one thing I dont understand is why the article is so optimistic about piledriver at the end, stating that piledriver should have a ten percent performance increase when it comes out in a year. Ivy Bridge is expected to come out pretty soon and it will surely offer more than a ten percent performance increase, and since AMDs new architecture scales so badly for power consumption, I guess they cant really just add more cores either. I would think if a ten percent increase is all AMD can produce one year from now then they will surely be heading to their doom.
    
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So based entirely on the article, even though much of it was already known without a nice presentation (Ars did a great job on this) we can conclude:

* It will take a consortium of: better operating system handling (scheduling essentially), a shorter pipeline but still highly clockable, revision on power draw (reduction highly necessary), boosts to cache performance, and a (albeit probably a long ways off) change in mainstream software markets to embrace some loads on multithreaded terms instead of remaining completely single-threaded.

So let me ask this for anyone - mentioned in the article the use of GPU computations for much of what seems to cripple (not the best choice of words, but makes the point) BD performance, could something be written and implemented that would take advantage of a system running a BD and AMD video card, much like PhsyX (obviously different but similar) is handled by Nvidia?
Previously AMD released drivers for their CPU's way back when. I don't remember if they helped much, but they could attempt that again (though I don't know if they can fix the scheduler issue with drivers). They could try and trick the OS into thinking there are 4 cores instead or something.
    
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People tend to forget that the enthusiast community is not where AMD makes their money.
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At least they can get a CEO *cough* HP *cough*



Because they still make GPU's, APU's and they're still on the market. Their stock isn't dropping into nothingness, people aren't mass resigning, people aren't getting fired, sued, arrested, murdered or committing suicide.

Nothing like that is happening. It's business as usual, and the enthusiast crowd is butthurt because BD doesn't crush Intel, like AMD did that single and solitary time. Because Intel screwed up, that single and solitary time.

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See, you still haven't provided any facts. Have you seen the lastest analysts articles on AMD? Have you seen the price of their stock lately? If you call this "business as usual" you really have no idea what you're talking about - this is a very critical time for AMD. Those APUs you're talking about still suffer from the production problems at GloFo - not to mention future APUs will use cores from Bulldozer's successor. They also spent a ton of money on the acquisition of ATI. If you think it's just the enthusiast crowd who is upset about this you're sadly sadly mistaken - there are people with a ton of money invested in this company, and I can guarantee they probably aren't too happy right now.
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As much as I would like to say they aren't going anywhere, their stock is half of what it was 4 months ago.

I realize the volatility of the market is terrible as a whole and that our economy is in poor shape, therefore it's not just AMD's issue here, but with their inability to catch up technology wise, their upper management issues, and the economic situation of our country/the world... I certainly would not be betting my life saving on their long term outlook.

Their GPU segment will hold them down for a while, but the company is still gonna be hurting imo. Their survival in the CPU game will be dependent on what major enterprise/business manufacturers they can strike lucrative deals with.

Rough times ahead at the very least.
    
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BD is on par with pII performance

programers aren't going to all of a sudden redesign all their software just for BD, so its a massive fail, heads should roll at AMD
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