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Previously AMD released drivers for their CPU's way back when. I don't remember if they helped much, but they could attempt that again (though I don't know if they can fix the scheduler issue with drivers). They could try and trick the OS into thinking there are 4 cores instead or something.
In my mind I'd see it more as a 'software fusion' between the CPU/GPU, much like an APU, but without the hardwiring (obviously).

When AMD released the Dual-Core Optimizer/patch for X2's, it did help performance quite a bit, or did it? I can't remember.

That was also on XP and things are different with XP to Vista/7 and soon to be 8.
    
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People tend to forget that the enthusiast community is not where AMD makes their money.
True, but technology trickles down - we see the problems first. Intel is about to release a 77 Watt Chip - just think what 22nm + 3D transistor CPUs will do for laptops.
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I don't know what is more baffling. The performance of Bulldozer or the amount of people on the Internet who don't know what an actual bulldozer is. They have a payloader for a pic.
you win
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Very good article. I don't know much about CPU architecture, but it all made sense. Cliff notes: Bulldozers architecture is too advanced for todays software to keep up.
No... That is not what the articles said at all. It said that bulldozer is better suited for highly threaded processes and even in such cases it usually still falls behind the 2600K. The article explained that bulldozer was made around AMDs vision of how software should work, but does not in reality. There is literally nothing advanced about this chip at all. There are very little improvements over AMDs previous architecture and the improvements that do exist are mostly canceled out but other changes that hindered performance. AMD basically wanted to make more cores that are cheaper and easier to produce. Each core is weak and wide-spread multi-threaded software support is a long way away.

Your statement could hardly be further from the truth.
    
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Grahics Cards and good mobile offerings will save AMD's butt, but they can't afford to phone it in any more.
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AMD will fuel both the next Ps and Xbox consoles. They're far from dead.
 
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AMD isn't going anywhere, any time soon. People are just retarded.
yep, they have you and Malcom28



oh wait !! hes waiting for a new revision !! talk about a bad fan D:
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Hmm this article made some logic to me.

Right now, bulldozer seems nonsense, if fact, performance is disapointing, for all factors mentioned. Bulldozer is sort of a sci fi processor, coming from the future, that can't adjust to present days. It needed better fab process, some design tweaks and so on to be really futuristic, as they try to make it so.

If we think of bulldozer as the CPU in a APU then bulldozer will shine combined with a decent GPU on die. THIS is the whole logic. This makes sense.

Finally something made sense on this design. I am familiar with GPU crunching numbers I do fold on my GTX560Ti.

Hopefully AMD future Fusion products will be really good...
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AMD will fuel both the next Ps and Xbox consoles. They're far from dead.
fuel them with GPUs...if they can't pull the CPU area out of the red how long will they keep the desktop CPU lines around? Their new CEO has already stated that mobile technologies will be a large target for them.

Not that I am expecting them to leave the desktop CPU market any time soon...it would take several more bulldozers to bury them in desktop CPUs.
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Hmm this article made some logic to me.

Right now, bulldozer seems nonsense, if fact, performance is disapointing, for all factors mentioned. Bulldozer is sort of a sci fi processor, coming from the future, that can't adjust to present days. It needed better fab process, some design tweaks and so on to be really futuristic, as they try to make it so.

If we think of bulldozer as the CPU in a APU then bulldozer will shine combined with a decent GPU on die. THIS is the whole logic. This makes sense.

Finally something made sense on this design. I am familiar with GPU crunching numbers I do fold on my GTX560Ti.

Hopefully AMD future Fusion products will be really good...
How is the performance of the cpu any different as part of an APU? Again, 4 faster cores would be better for the average user who might buy an APU. Who's doing heavy encoding and multithreaded tasks on an APU?
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