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Originally Posted by Vagrant Storm View Post
I don't know what is more baffling. The performance of Bulldozer or the amount of people on the Internet who don't know what an actual bulldozer is. They have a payloader for a pic.
This. XD

Most need to remember that AMD has two sources of income and the last Phenom failure didn't stop most people from buying them. It stopped the enthusiast market and most of the people who were aware of the performance. But then again, this is an extremely small portion of the PC community. As I said in my rave in the off topic section, The Pentium 4 flop certainly didn't screw intel over any more than the Athlon XP did for AMD.

AMD will recover and come back up. Gaming with the Bulldozer doesn't seem to be that bad actually.
     
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post #52 of 118
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No, it is not easy.

The code itself must be aware that there is a FP co-processor and be branch to take advantage of the it. Now, the developer has to worry about synchronization and coherency between the CPU and GPU. It is not trival.

However, AMD and Intel are openly working to make the hardware be more integrated (i.e. on-board IGP will eventually become multi-core general use FP units). On the software-side, there are libraries being developed/maturing to simplify usage.
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Are you asking about combining the CPU to do GPU work while gaming? I don't really think that is possible.

The CPU is a problem in games because it is bottlenecking the GPU; it doesn't have anything to do with the GPU and CPU having issues.
So then all we're left with is essentially awaiting a revamp on this new architecture, seeing if it's probable to be revised enough that net gains noticeable enough for market appreciation, or do you think they're ultimately a long way off (Prescott P4..)?

Dumb question I suppose... ARS pretty much already asked this.
    
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AMD is fine. Their CPU side, obviously, will struggle for a bit. But they are in the lead on the GPU side.

The one thing that boggles my mind is that, at least from my observations, thier GPU's always seemed to have lower power requirements than comparable Nvidia GPU's, yet their BD CPU's draw so much.
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post #54 of 118
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The performance of the FX-4170 is definitely enough to be a decent CPU for office and the likes.

No one does any heavy encoding and the likes on current APUs because the performance is not acceptable. Look at Intel Quicksync, it's a nice technology allowing you to transcode a video to your smartphone or iPod. AMD probably has similar goals, the difference being they would make it for transcoding, rendering, compression and so on...
The problem isn't that few people are doing it, the problem is it's expensive and unpractical to use a workstation.
I never said it wasn't good enough for office...

It's not the APU can't do it (a moot point), it's because most users in the market for these low priced APUs will not be using them for encoding and heavily multithreaded tasks.
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Another point most people never fail to miss is that Intel is not going to let them leave the cpu market or die off. Intel can't have them do that, otherwise they risk having some serious issues legally. They need AMD there to keep their corporation together.
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AMD could have made the module with each core having its own front end... honestly they can salvage the design aspect but need to add things to the architecture to make it perform well in single threaded apps... aka things shouldn't be shared for each core... each core needs its own resources... and they need to shorten the pipe... it didn't work for intel... why would it work for AMD...
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AMD is fine. Their CPU side, obviously, will struggle for a bit. But they are in the lead on the GPU side.

The one thing that boggles my mind is that, at least from my observations, thier GPU's always seemed to have lower power requirements than comparable Nvidia GPU's, yet their BD CPU's draw so much.
Different engineers at work most likely...and I think the ATI devision is segmented off enough from the rest of AMD that the upper management chaos doesn't have as much of an effect as well. I really do wonder how much of this comes from that. Imagine you are working on a project for seven years and during that time your boss and company goal keeps changing. It must be a difficult situation at best.
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It's a shame we just didn't see 12 cores AMD CPUs on the K10.5 architecture and 32nm -- they would have used less transistors and probably less power. It would also have destroyed Intel in price/performance. I wonder if we'll see a rollback to the former architecture like we did with Prescott.
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so what worries me the most is that they are still "defending" BD and saying taht the software isnt up to par with it yet and that Piledriver will have the same issue...and so will all the others...

so what you just told me is that i am to expect this to keep happening because its part of the plan? to keep failing?
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so......because AMD designed a phillips head screwdriver when we needed a flathead, its not thier fault?
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