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Where the hell did you pull that number from? 30%? The highest I've seen was 20%, and that was from Intel themselves. Anand said it'd be more around 10%.

Also, Ivy Bridge is not coming out before christmas. It's shipping for revenue in the second half of Q4. It won't be on the shelves until spring.
It will be forsale about 3-7 days after it ships. OEMs and retail stores are not going to have the CPUs sitting in a warehouse collecting dust. As for just taking orders...it is already "shipping for revenue". Intell is already making the CPUs in volume from what they've released on Tuesday


and yeah...It's been a 20% projected performance increase at stock. However, it is sort of the expectation that it will OC a little better and once both CPUs are overclocked some people are expecting more than 20% out of it. We will see though. I think 15-20% is probably going to be more realistic.

Still even 10% increase on Sandy Bridge performance...is a lot of performance.
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 10/20/11 at 11:34am
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I do believe bulldozer draws less power than thubans, but I haven't looked at the numbers in a while
Nope, they're about the same: http://techreport.com/articles.x/21848
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I do believe bulldozer draws less power than thubans, but I haven't looked at the numbers in a while
That's true. In idle it takes a little less power, but only because it shuts off some cores completely when idling (I think), at load it is about the same as a Thuban. I can't imagine servers requiring an upgrade to a 16 core Opteron would spending much time idling though.
    
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OK 20%, point still stands.
    
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If ATI was not going to go under why did AMD purchase them?
IIRC AMD wanted a GPU maker for their Fusion plans and was going to buy nVidia, but the deal fell through and ATi was the only other alternative.
In the end they had to take a loan and payed more for ATi than it was worth at the time, which is why AMD has been in debt for years.
 
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Good Read.
But I think it all comes back to one thing with me.

It is wonderful to build processors for a multithreaded future, because that is obviously where we are headed, but it is stupid to overbuild to the dregree bulldozer has been. It is a great idea, and a fantastic design on paper, but when programs are just now beginning to support quad cores standard, an 8 "core" processor is premature. Especially considering that by the time most programs can handle 6 cores effectively, Bulldozer will be 2 years out of date.

I realize that hardware development drives software in many ways.
But there is obviously such a thing as being too ambitious.
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IIRC AMD wanted a GPU maker for their Fusion plans and was going to buy nVidia, but the deal fell through and ATi was the only other alternative.
In the end they had to take a loan and payed more for ATi than it was worth at the time, which is why AMD has been in debt for years.

AMD never thought to buy nVidia...infact in about 2007 or 2008 there was rumors going aroun that nVidia was going to buy AMD and spin off ATI

The ATI/AMD merger was kind of unexpected for the most part. AMD did pay more for ATI than it was worth...infact it paid more for ATI than AMD was worth shortly after the aquision took place.
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 10/20/11 at 12:23pm
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Very interesting read. It explains alot actually. Thanks OP
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It will be forsale about 3-7 days after it ships. OEMs and retail stores are not going to have the CPUs sitting in a warehouse collecting dust. As for just taking orders...it is already "shipping for revenue". Intell is already making the CPUs in volume from what they've released on Tuesday


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Still even 10% increase on Sandy Bridge performance...is a lot of performance.
The whole December thing is pulled from this article, written after Intel's Q3 earnings were released.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ivy...tor,13753.html

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That's true. In idle it takes a little less power, but only because it shuts off some cores completely when idling (I think), at load it is about the same as a Thuban. I can't imagine servers requiring an upgrade to a 16 core Opteron would spending much time idling though.
Yeah, don't get me wrong, Bulldozer's crap right now. I think it will be better relative to desktop in a server setting, but it's not going to blow anything away. Oh well, benches will tell.
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^^^ Yeah I'd be shocked, why not sell some SBE then release IB.
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