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Gorilla glass is actually more prone to shattering than normal glass.
This is very much not true. Coming from someone who repairs phones for a living.
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Apple did not "innovate" the smartphone. Blackberries and Windows phones were around long before the iPhone.
And look where they are now. RIM is on life support, and WM is an unwanted joke. Apple, and later Android, ate their lunch.

So step away from the crackpipe. No one is disputing that BBs and WMPs were around first, but only a delusional person would argue that the iPhone did not completely redefine what it meant to be a "smartphone". Apple is the reason everyone and their mother wants a smartphone now, not just corporations. And they did this through the two strategies that Apple haters constantly berate Apple for: their aesthetic design, and making it crazy easy to use.
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$99 for Applecare+ gives me 2 free repairs for accidental damage. I'm careful with my phone and until I use my second free repair, I'm going caseless.
They are not free repairs. You have paid for them. When you pay for something it cannot possibly considered free. Understand?
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post #104 of 155
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And look where they are now. RIM is on life support, and WM is an unwanted joke. Apple, and later Android, ate their lunch.

So step away from the crackpipe. No one is disputing that BBs and WMPs were around first, but only a delusional person would argue that the iPhone did not completely redefine what it meant to be a "smartphone". Apple is the reason everyone and their mother wants a smartphone now, not just corporations. And they did this through the two strategies that Apple haters constantly berate Apple for: their aesthetic design, and making it crazy easy to use.
I think people struggle with the term innovations and the idea of simply bringing something to market. I'm no Apple fan but no one can deny that the mainstream identity smartphones have nowadays is due in large part to Apple. Although I think we can thank Android for making it possible for just about everyone by giving them affordable options.
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They are not free repairs. You have paid for them. When you pay for something it cannot possibly considered free. Understand?
Quote of the day! Love it!!!
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post #106 of 155
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And look where they are now. RIM is on life support, and WM is an unwanted joke. Apple, and later Android, ate their lunch.

So step away from the crackpipe. No one is disputing that BBs and WMPs were around first, but only a delusional person would argue that the iPhone did not completely redefine what it meant to be a "smartphone". Apple is the reason everyone and their mother wants a smartphone now, not just corporations. And they did this through the two strategies that Apple haters constantly berate Apple for: their aesthetic design, and making it crazy easy to use.
They did not redefine the smartphone either. Aesthetic design is nothing more than opinion, I personally think the phone is both ugly and uncomfortable to use. It is not anymore "crazy easy" to use than any other device on the market... in fact iOS 5 copied some ease of use features straight from Android.

The real reason Apple has been so successful with the iPhone is their fancy marketing scheme.
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I think people struggle with the term innovations and the idea of simply bringing something to market.
Agreed, I think this is exactly right. Some people would argue that cell phones were not innovative because someone else had already invented the phone.

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They did not redefine the smartphone either. Aesthetic design is nothing more than opinion, I personally think the phone is both ugly and uncomfortable to use. It is not anymore "crazy easy" to use than any other device on the market... in fact iOS 5 copied some ease of use features straight from Android.

The real reason Apple has been so successful with the iPhone is their fancy marketing scheme.
You...just do not get it...don't know why I'm trying again...but in no particular order:

The first real innovation in the iPhone was its interface. The touchscreen was an innovation on phones...and no, stylus based interfaces are NOT the same thing. But even if they were, the iPhone's touch interface was about 10,000 times better than any other "touch-ish" interface to date on any consumer device. Having used an iPaq for years, I cannot see how anyone who used "what we had before iPhone" and "what we had after iPhone" could possible dispute this.

The second innovation was in its use, nay its absolute reliance, on the internet. Yes, BlackBerry, WMP, even my old Razr could get on the internet. If a handful of text characters on a screen could be called "the internet", anyway. iPhone brought the "real" internet to mobile, not some pared down POS that was only "neat" to the nerdiest of geeks. Saying this was not an innovation in the mobile space defies logic...you may as well argue that Netscape was not innovative because, after all, we already had Gopher.

The third innovation, which came later (after Jobs realized he was wrong in his original vision!) was the Apps Store. That has completely redefined what a smartphone can and should do for its users. Suddenly mobile phones were like PCs in the 90s...anyone could write an application and immediately have a huge customer base. Were apps possible on BBs? Sure, but a scant few gave a crap. That's why I say that "running apps on a phone" was not the innovation, it was the App Store itself that was the innovation.

And finally, the aesthetics itself and the ease of use were not the innovation. The innovation was in creating the first smartphone product that everyone and their mother (and their grandmother) wanted to have. The product that elevated smartphones off of the belt holsters of the corporate executive and IT guys, and into the hands of EVERYONE. They disrupted and redefined a well entrenched market, all but destroying competitors once thought to be invincible. If you do not see this, you are being willfully ignorant.

And if you're honestly going to start defending your weak position by noting that Apple has "borrowed" some of Android's best ideas, I would be remiss in not pointing out that the Android platform itself is a thorough borrowing of the iPhone concept. You'll note that I'm not knocking Android for that. Take a lesson.
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post #108 of 155
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They said the same thing about a poorly performing benchmarks of a certain CPU. I think that's a good sign actually. Calling fake is a desperate, final counter to anything.
Listen, I do not like apple, I do not own any of their products nor do I plan to get one, I in fact plan to get the galaxy nexus when it finally hits stores locally.

However when watching the video I wanted to see the full damage on the Galaxy when it was first dropped, because I do not know what I saw if its minimal damage and the back just got opened and all they did was close it or if it was worse.

It might be just me but the whole video feels to me ooo look how bad is apples product ( and it is bad the way it shattered no denying that ) and see no damage on galaxy s2 see no damage ... but they were so fast you barely see ...
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You know what's funny? The SII wouldn't even exist if it wasn't because of the iPhone.

"Oh we didn't know there was a smartphone and tablet market until Steve Jobs showed us there was one, because we (Samsung) do not have the capability to show consumers there was a product they actually needed! Lets copy them and compete because we're too stupid to come up with our own ideas."

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I thought it didn't matter?
That's what a new model does, improve on the previous one. You'll understand by the time you pull your head out of the gutter.

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Apple did not "innovate" the smartphone. Blackberries and Windows phones were around long before the iPhone.
Because of Steve Jobs there's fierce competition in the smartphone market, before people didn't care about smartphones because they were counter intuitive and extremely complex devices. Steve Jobs made the smartphone so popular even my grandmother knows what a iPhone is.

In Asian countries Apple is a status symbol, lets see RIM, WMP and Android phones do that.

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They did not redefine the smartphone either. Aesthetic design is nothing more than opinion, I personally think the phone is both ugly and uncomfortable to use. It is not anymore "crazy easy" to use than any other device on the market... in fact iOS 5 copied some ease of use features straight from Android.

The real reason Apple has been so successful with the iPhone is their fancy marketing scheme.


"Ugly and uncomfortable to use" they're all rectangles but the iPhone is "Ugly and uncomfortable to use" Someone is in denial
 
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Listen, I do not like apple, I do not own any of their products nor do I plan to get one, I in fact plan to get the galaxy nexus when it finally hits stores locally.

However when watching the video I wanted to see the full damage on the Galaxy when it was first dropped, because I do not know what I saw if its minimal damage and the back just got opened and all they did was close it or if it was worse.

It might be just me but the whole video feels to me ooo look how bad is apples product ( and it is bad the way it shattered no denying that ) and see no damage on galaxy s2 see no damage ... but they were so fast you barely see ...
I don't see any damage in that screenshot. The back cover is very flexible, you could probably chuck it full whack against a wall and it wouldn't do any damage to it. It just hasn't been closed properly in the pic. When you close the back you have to run your finger around the edge to close all the little tabs. Its akin to bubblewrap.
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