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Originally Posted by Artikbot View Post
Ofc he hasn't seen a 125W 1055T overclocked to 4.2GHz and benchmarking...

Mine goes beyond safe temps, even when running all alone on the triple rad, Ultra Kaze 3000RPM @fullspeed with an EK Supreme HF with the second most restrictive jetplate.


That is A HELL LOT OF POWER CONSUMPTION.


But once again, seems like BD is the only power hungry processor here.


No one remembers P4 Prescott Extreme Edition... At 3.8GHz they ate twice the power as the FX-57... And ran even slower
..uh oh..i had a p4 prescott buil;d in mind : i'm thinking it would be better /faster than fx4100
 
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It's true that transistor count, in and of it self, means very little to the end user.

However, it means a lot to AMD and their ability to compete. At ~2 Billion transistors, BD likely costs much more to make than even SB-E, while they are being sold for less than a third of the price. AMDs margins cannot be good on BD, and less profit reduces their ability to fund R&D.

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Originally Posted by Fr0sty View Post
how many of those transistors are related to power state control or even added instruction sets or something else that isnt shown in die shots ???


+ hypertransport link and all .... its a big chip and doesnt suck so bad since its a new process + new arch ... but it does suck in the performance dept
Power state control and htt links don't need much in the way of transistor count.

I'm willing to bet that the focus on ramping clock speeds on everything is directly related to the huge transistor count. Longer pipelines, bigger buffers, more prediction hardware to compensate, etc.

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Originally Posted by GMcDougal View Post
Not sure why everyone is still beating BD down, isnt it getting a 40% boost from a registry fix
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Originally Posted by Jackeduphard View Post
well call me in a year once this 'trash' has been taken out ..... honestly how to u release something that over 4 years comes out to just be plain trash?
People like you (ie. Most of OCN) really need to read up on their computer history.

The only debatedly new architecture to be successful from day one is Nehalems.

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Originally Posted by rusky1 View Post
Only 11W more over a 1100T with two more cores is not bad at all. It'll probably dip below the 6 core once a new revision comes out.
Exactly, it's got two more cores and much more cache, etc than its predecessor...It isn't that high considering, people need to remember than SB is a mainstream part, I'm willing to bet SB-e will be up there with BD at high clock speeds.

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Originally Posted by Iceman23 View Post
Power usage/core is a meaningless statistic. Power usage/performance is a relevant statistic. Take a look at how much power consumption dropped from the 9xx series to the 2xxx series in this same chart, and also take into consideration how much performance increased. Doesn't seem "not bad at all" to me.
And once they fix the cache and front-end in Piledriver? Performance would be at least decent then without much of a change in power consumption.

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Originally Posted by Don Karnage View Post
Why? You can't makeup IPC with more clock speed. Wouldn't it just make more sense for Amd to copy intel's designs and sell them at a cheaper price?
...Yes, you can, although AMD are massive hypocrites with this, IPC vs Clock Speed is the same as Size vs Speed for cache, etc. A Northwood P4 won against the Athlon XP despite having a far lower IPC because the Athlons never got far above 2.3Ghz whereas the Northwoods were above 3Ghz easily.

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Originally Posted by Iceman23 View Post
To a point, but this has never really proved to be a great strategy - see Netburst. Higher clocks mean higher temperatures, more power consumption, less reliability and less overclocking headroom for those of us who do want to push those limits. In addition, we often don't see linear gains in performance from increased clocks.
Netbursts problem was Prescott and the 90nm nodes leakyness, not the IPC vs Clock Speed ratio.

Prescott was leaky (Lots of heat and power consumption came from it) and didn't scale as well as Intel hoped, I don't see where you get reliability from (Northwoods, the good P4s, were fine.) and there's generally just as much, if not more OCing headroom? We're spoiled by SB with its high OC potential, it used to be a sub-1Ghz OC on Athlon64 (usually) but a 1.4Ghz OC on a Pentium D quite easily.

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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
WOW that's pretty bad, regardless of being overclocked BD vs. stock rest.
Not really, those Intel 32nm 6 cores would be the same at OCed speeds.

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Originally Posted by Steak House View Post
Even Highly Overclocked a 2500K draws 225ish...

Count BD out for folders...

And IB is coming...
A 2500k has half the cores (Although much higher performance), a 980X would use about as much power on the same node with two less cores and I'm willing to bet SB-E will use that much power too.

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Originally Posted by Spacedinvader View Post
OoOOoOOoohh someone is making sense! is that allowed?

edit: so it's a 64% increase in power for double the trannys....that doesn't sound half bad if the damn thing would perform like it's got 2bn trannys in it
Please for the love of god say transistors, I'd hate to have over 2billion trannies inside my computer.

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Originally Posted by Iceman23 View Post
Again, that is irrelevant to the end user. Give me a price and give me the performance - that's what you need to determine value. If I had a single transistor processor that consumed 200W and performed equivalently in all aspects to BD, would you say it was the lesser processor because it consumes more power per transistor? I would hope not, but what do I know, I only have half a brain.

Also, the BD die is smaller than Thuban, and much smaller than Cayman.
Yes, it's true.

But it's still working out why, and its fun.

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Originally Posted by jellis142 View Post
I don't know... I still think AMD is hiding something in that chip. There's a first for everything; P67 had SATA problems, BD has high power draw. A revision should hopefully fix those drawbacks
Nah, they're not, it's the first revision of a new architectures which always tend to suck.

Piledriver *should* fix it, but its still up for debate.

As for the high power draw...People need to remember, this is an enthusiast chip, the 2500k and 2600k are just insanely good, but they're meant to be mainstream chips which is why they sip the power, SB-E will use just as much as BD, the 980X/990X/970 do already on the same node.

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Originally Posted by BizzareRide View Post
The power draw is outlandish given the performance that you get in return and the price that they're asking for these.

@4.7Ghz, your still getting outperformed by an X6(at 4.2) which is pretty good for rendering, matching the Bloomfield quads. The X6 can be had for $150 brand new...

At stock settings, a 2600k only consumes 65w, half of Zambezi.
Most of the problems stem from the cache size (for L1 cache) and latency (L2 and L3) and front-ends decoding speed, software optimization can help a little (Make programs use every second core so each core gets the 4ops/cycle decoding speed as much as possible) but that only makes it equal Phenom II in IPC due to the insanely small L1 cache and insanely slow L2 and L3 cache.

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Originally Posted by Derp View Post
Another excuse is "windows 8 will fix it" but the funny thing is that windows 8 also helps other multicore processors as well which leaves the same conclusion, BD fails.
Actually going by chip design, software optimization can actually help.
(See above, the decoder is shared between two cores and does 4 ops/clock, if both cores are being used, which they generally are, as most OSs just load up cores in the order core 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, then the two cores essentially get 2ops/clock, below Thubans 3ops/clock, if they made software go in order of core 0, 2, 4, 6, 1, 3, 5, 7 instead, you'd get a significant IPC boost until you start using over 4 cores, but its not 40%, it makes it roughly match Phenom II)
    
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lol fail CPU is failed, overclocked or not.
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Sure, but it clearly draws more power than its predecessor at stock despite the 32nm process. I wouldn't call that great.
Haven't people beaten this horse to death already?
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lol fail CPU is failed, overclocked or not.
Actually not. If you give a close reading to the benchmarks it does quite well at higher clocks. If they can increase power efficiency and thus increase clocks they could well be competitive with Sandy Bridge.
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Actually not. If you give a close reading to the benchmarks it does quite well at higher clocks. If they can increase power efficiency and thus increase clocks they could well be competitive with Sandy Bridge.

Key word : SANDY BRIDGE. Isn't that like ... uhmm ... ya'know last generation?
 
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wish they would have shown the 2500k OC'd...
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This overclock is unrealistic... Of course power consumption would be up there, it's 1.5v on a 32nm chip. The overclock was probably quickly done with no respect to stability like in many quick reviews; I have seen better 8150 overclocks. Ie 4.8ghz with under 1.4v stable in another review.
Edited by xd_1771 - 10/21/11 at 10:36am
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