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I think many people who think that Android is better than iPhone have never used an iPhone. I've used both and see them both as outstanding OS's, with iPhone having an edge in stability, elegance, and consistency.
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When something is good and beating it's competitors why change it
I guess Andriod is still trying to find that sweet spot
the iphone isnt beating the compeitors. last time i checked, android had 48% market share and the iphone had 27%. the iphone's reign is over.

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Say "what" again! JK

You can start apps automatically when the phone starts. It's *nix underneath the GUI.
You don't need to launch them individually...

You say you can't customize the iPhone. I show you how. Now you're making excuses that it's too difficult to spend 10 seconds visiting a website.

I think we're done here. User ignorance of the ability to customize the iPhone is the only problem here, not the iPhone itself.
Again, you need to run an app on top of iOS. That is not the same thing as Android. What do you not understand? It is not a native option to iOS. You need to use workarounds to do something as simple as have widgets on your desktop.

Customization is the main point of Android, on iOS it's an afterthought. None of iOS's implementation of widgets or home replacement comes close to the way Android handles it.

Does that help you? Or are you gonna keep skating around the facts?

and how about your epic "Widgets didn't exist until Dashboard" idea, what happened to it?
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the iphone isnt beating the compeitors. last time i checked, android had 48% market share and the iphone had 27%. the iphone's reign is over.

edit: nobody listen to jonnybigboss.
via ComScore: The combined 37.9 million iOS users is 59 percent greater than the 23.8 million combined Android OS installed base, which includes users of both Android phones and connected media devices such as the Samsung Galaxy Tab.


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Again, you need to run an app on top of iOS. That is not the same thing as Android. What do you not understand? It is not a native option to iOS. You need to use workarounds to do something as simple as have widgets on your desktop.

Customization is the main point of Android, on iOS it's an afterthought. None of iOS's implementation of widgets or home replacement comes close to the way Android handles it.

Does that help you? Or are you gonna keep skating around the facts?

and how about your epic "Widgets didn't exist until Dashboard" idea, what happened to it?
You among others claimed that you can't customize the iPhone. I explain how and now you complain that it requires too much intelligence to understand...

Something as simple as tapping a few times to install an app is too hard for you. I get that. Unfortunately you need to do the same thing with Android to install widget apps. So your complaining doesn't make any sense.

Btw: widgets were around before 2005 on Macs. Try again.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 10/22/11 at 12:44pm
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You among others claimed that you can't customize the iPhone. I explain how and now you complain that it requires too much intelligence to understand...

Something as simple as tapping a few times to install an app is too hard for you. I get that. Unfortunately you need to do the same thing with Android to install widget apps. So your complaining doesn't make any sense.

Btw: widgets were around before 2005 on Macs. Try again.
I never said you can't customize iOS. My argument is that the customization you can impart on iOS isn't even close to what you can do on Android. Widget apps in android still install on your main homepage not some overlay. They're deeply integrated into the os on Android not on iOS.

Check you widget history. The first desktop widgets were available by Startdock. I'm not sure why I should try again since it's you that acted like Dashboard introduced widgets to the world. Web widgets were around forever, desktop widgets first came to Windows via Startdock. In other words you're wrong on all counts.
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I never said you can't customize iOS. My argument is that the customization you can impart on iOS isn't even close to what you can do on Android. Widget apps in android still install on your main homepage not some overlay. They're deeply integrated into the os on Android not on iOS.

Check you widget history. The first desktop widgets were available by Startdock. I'm not sure why I should try again since it's you that acted like Dashboard introduced widgets to the world. Web widgets were around forever, desktop widgets first came to Windows via Startdock. In other words you're wrong on all counts.
Others claimed you can't customize. You claimed that you can't customize enough. Both have been proven wrong. You can install widgets for iOS that live on the homepage directly. What is so hard to understand about this?


DesktopX in 2001 wasn't the first implementation of widgets. Learn to use something other than Windows your whole life...

I'm done here, the sheer amount of ignorance is appalling. Even after explaining how to customize people still stick their head in the sand...
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 10/22/11 at 1:15pm
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Desktop widget I said, I like how you always say this and then that but never ever provide any proof with your counter argument. If it's so easy go ahead and show us. Verona Desktop Enhancer was released in 99 btw and is what preceded desktopX.

Can you show me how you can install a widget on the regular iOS home screen on an non-jailbroken device?

Or how iOS customization is as robust as Android customization?

Do you have any way to show me that widgets originated on a Mac?



Or is 'no, you are wrong' as far as your discussion abilities go?
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Don't start the party without me!

So you think customization and functionality can be done just as good on iOS as it is on Android? Think again bro. I've been on the jailbreaking scene long enough to admit that Google's implementation is far superior and more flexible stock than what iOS can offer when jailbroken.

1. Complete file access to the Android subsystems



I do know that iOS has apps that let you peek what's under the hood as well as using SSH for it (root/alpine FTW) but Android does this baked-in with a file manager. Once rooted, you can actually make edits to each individual file and actually make it do something on the phone - For example, edit values to control how HSPA+ works on the phone or configure the phone to render the screen.

Apps specifically designed for rooted users allow for greater functionality such as taking control of the display driver and making changes to the recovery image. This is where stuff like ROM Manager come into play; these basically allow you to do complete ROM backups on the fly, configure Dalvik Cache and even dual-boot to a different ROM - say MIUI and CM7.

2. Robust widget system



Though there are iOS alternatives and workaroungs, things such as SBSettings, etc. has nothing on real Android widgets. Any kind of widget on ANdroid is configurable down to the last font size, x/y position, color alpha channel and layering. Try apps like mClock and BeWeather, and see what I mean.

Also, these widgets can do a lot more than just aggregating news or displaying the weather; you can set them up to do specific tasks such as open an app (whether relevant or not) or send a message, invoke a function on the phone, etc.

3. Native codec playback



Android has more powerful in-house media options such as support for different codecs (MKV, FLAC, OGG, etc.) and even plays native 720p/1080p content without conversion provided the correct hardware. Players can switch to software or hardware acceleration during playback, and some apps can support subtitles and different audio tracks depending on the file. Hell, the built-in equalizer is way better than the presets on my old iPhone.


4. Integrated sharing options



Called Intents, this is an Android feature that any app can use to call/invoke functions from other apps. This is the most useful in sharing content; for example, a picture in the Gallery can be shared through any of the installed apps that could perform such tasks such as Dropbox. So basically, interoperability of apps is present and makes file transfer much easier. An article from Feedly or Pulse can be mailed to somebody via Gmail, or a YouTube video's link can be encoded as a QR code without manually launching an app.
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and of course he would bow out right as his arguments are waning...
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Originally Posted by Tehrawk View Post
Swipe to dismiss notifications is pretty awesome in Ice Cream Sandwich. Cant wait for iOS to "innovate" that feature.
Android "innovated" that from WebOS.

Sharing information is part of the human experience. Sharing ideas leads to creation of new ideas and designs.



@Manyak, I had forgotten just how much was missing from the original iphone, so I did a quick search. I didn't remember it being that bad. Apple sure came a long way (probably further than Android had to as far as features). Apple added features with a bit of UI polishing while Android added UI (not just polishing) with a few features. That said, I think that Google, MS, and Apple all need to look into new UI paradigms instead of rehashing existing ones. Mobile UI is still very new, what works will change as long as new ideas are added (or old ideas aggregated in new ways). This is just like what has/is happening on the desktop.

source Engadget
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There's no way to cut, copy, or paste text! WHOA! Big, big mistake.
No A2DP support. That, friends, is such a huge bummer right there.
Sorry, music can't be used as a ringtone -- even if it's just a raw MP3. No additional ringtones will be sold at launch.
On a PC the iPhone syncs with Outlook for calendars AND addresses! Noice.
It supports Exchange in some capacity, according to Walt, but he doesn't exactly say how.
Pogue again confirms document file reading -- but not editing -- for PDF, Word, and Excel (only).
Adobe Flash support is officially out. It's just not in the browser. Neither is there any other kind of embedded video support. Sorry everybody, that's that.
It will take snaps, but won't record video. How can Apple love YouTube as much as it does and not realize cellphone-shot movies make up a sizeable chunk of the crazy crap you find on there?
Oh, and no MMS. And sorry, no voice dialing, either.
Contact groups can't be emailed as contact lists.
Apple sez between 300-400 charges the iPhone will lose battery capacity -- you'll send it in and get the cell replaced for a fee. Meh. We knew this would be the case, but still, meh.
Apple can (and supposedly will) be rolling out periodic updates -- no surprise there.
Battery life is, somehow, almost as mind-blowingly good as Apple claims for calls, music, and movies.
As we suspected, users are prompted with lists of WiFi networks if you're not nearby a trusted hotspot. We've seen this on other phones, and we're afraid this would get friggin annoying.
It's said to be very scratch resistant. The facade both front and rear apparently just doesn't pick up marring like regular iPods do.
Voice quality is said to be good -- not great.
source Engadget

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The last six months have held a whirlwind of hype surrounding the iPhone the likes of which we've rarely seen; an unbelievable amount of mainstream consumer electronics users -- not just Engadget-reading technology enthusiasts -- instantly glommed onto the idea of a do-it-all smartphone that's as easy to use as it is powerful. The fact is, there's only a very short list of properly groundbreaking technologies in the iPhone (multi-touch input), and a very long list of things users are already upset about not having in a $600 cellphone (3G, GPS, A2DP, MMS, physical keyboard, etc.).

getting things done with the iPhone isn't easy, and anyone looking for a productivity device will probably need to look on. Its browser falls pretty short of the "internet in your pocket" claims Apple's made, and even though it's still easily the most advanced mobile browser on the market, its constant crashing doesn't exactly seal the deal. The iPhone's Mail app -- from its myriad missing features to its un-integrated POP mail experience to its obsolete method of accessing your Gmail -- makes email on the iPhone a huge chore at best.

Edited by hajile - 10/22/11 at 1:11pm
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