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If software and games where god-like threaded, you would see the 8150 compete with the 2600K in most everything. It's as much of a software fail as a CPU fail, but that still doesn't give AMD a free ride for BD's power consumption which is a fail on it's own.

For newer software and games, the CPU will do fine. Though I do think they made a mistake by allowing the IPC to be reduced at this time.
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Originally Posted by DayoftheGreek View Post
Nope. We're all pretty sure its BD.

I would advise that you learn more about hyperthreading as well, because your sig isn't exactly a good description.
Its actually a perfect description. BTW look at the benchmark results before flapping your gums.
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so...people...you get your hardware to PLAY some games or to PLAY CINEBENCH and those other benchmarks ??

Im not telling FX is better, in fact in my position if was about to build a system I would choose the 2500k for the less power consumption

but the FX hate is getting ridiculous

same thing happen months ago with the P67 massive recall

the only different was the actors, AMD fans thinking Intel will meet the creator...
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JF-AMD promised better IPC over Phenom II.
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JF-AMD promised better IPC over Phenom II.
http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1...LI-1110171AR89


Look here. Sometimes it happens.
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inferior techniques led to inferior hardware
is that a really surprise?
just bad decisions made
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so...people...you get your hardware to PLAY some games or to PLAY CINEBENCH and those other benchmarks ??

Im not telling FX is better, in fact in my position if was about to build a system I would choose the 2500k for the less power consumption

but the FX hate is getting ridiculous

same thing happen months ago with the P67 massive recall

the only different was the actors, AMD fans thinking Intel will meet the creator...
The recall had nothing to do with lackluster performance when great things were promised, and it was fixed and covered by the manufacturer instead of being lied to your face and basically saying "youre doing it wrong, you need more GPU bottleneck."

Honestly, it is true that in the "real world," FX chips will perform fine for all but the most expensive GPU setups. But the same thing can be said for a chip that is half as much money. The real problem comes from the fact that CHEAPER chips also perform BETTER when allowed to stretch their legs, meaning while the FX will perform the same as a 2500K or a Phenom II, it will become obsolete quicker and you paid more money for it. If you want to put some salt on the would it uses more power as well.

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I don't see a Phenom II there, theres an Athlon II. Also, that does not show IPC when clocks are different, and on top of that the FX loses to the Athlon II in a few of those.
    
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The recall had nothing to do with lackluster performance when great things were promised, and it was fixed and covered by the manufacturer instead of being lied to your face and basically saying "youre doing it wrong, you need more GPU bottleneck."

Honestly, it is true that in the "real world," FX chips will perform fine for all but the most expensive GPU setups. But the same thing can be said for a chip that is half as much money. The real problem comes from the fact that CHEAPER chips also perform BETTER when allowed to stretch their legs, meaning while the FX will perform the same as a 2500K or a Phenom II, it will become obsolete quicker and you paid more money for it. If you want to put some salt on the would it uses more power as well.



I don't see a Phenom II there, theres an Athlon II. Also, that does not show IPC when clocks are different, and on top of that the FX loses to the Athlon II in a few of those.
It shows that there is a great deal of parity between PH2 and FX4 in quad core configurations.

The Harping over IPC is getting annoying. The uarch is both forward and backwards, depending on the applications.

So its best to just pick the best cpu for the job you need it to do.

end of thread.
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yeah, the initial benchmarks looked bad, but I have seen others showing Bulldozer actually getting better framerates in games than a 2600k.
There are certain games that have always done well on AMD's chipsets/platforms, regardless of relative CPU power.

Using such tests to justify Bulldozer is silly because other, less expensive CPUs, could likely produce the same results.

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I think the FX cpu's are going to be great for gaming , just as good as the 26/500k .
Since when does great mean "no different from anything else"?

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Most people that are going to buy this chip are going to be gamers .
I doubt it.

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Real world isn't just games. Most games aren't CPU bound anyway unless you have an extreme rig, in which case you'll have an extreme CPU, not a Bulldozer.
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