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Originally Posted by dham View Post
Exactly. How the hell is 100 years of anything going to change a planet that is 4.5 billion years old.

I'm pretty sure the dinosaurs farting for 165 million years has done more damage to the environment than a species on this planet for 6 million years, with industry for 100 years.
Yeah, we are so insignificant to Earth. I mean if you look at Earth from space you can't even see the human influence on it. It's silly to think we could have any impact on the planet...

/sarcasm


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Climate gate is no strawman. There is some serious shenanigans that went on with those studies and a lot of skewed "scientific results" that were swayed one way for a political agenda.

This is the real problem when politics interfere with science. When scientists get paid large sums of money to present the statistics in the favor of their agenda. This happens way to often and really is hurting the scientific communities credibility tremendously.

It's so hard to decipher a politically motivated study vs. Something that is truly independent from any outside source with an agenda.

However these are very grey areas. I just find it sad that people of scientific nature would skew there results just for the money.
As far as I know ALL scientists investigated in "climate gate" were cleared of any scientific misconduct charges. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. The worst thing anybody found was a single line in one email that talked about "hiding the decline". It was a single sentence taken out of context and blown out of proportion. The story faded away and people still focus on only that single sentence that was written in poor taste by a single individual.

One sentence in a candid email from a single researcher doesn't taint the entire climate change research field...
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As far as I know ALL scientists investigated in "climate gate" were cleared of any scientific misconduct charges. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. The worst thing anybody found was a single line in one email that talked about "hiding the decline". It was a single sentence taken out of context and blown out of proportion. The story faded away and people still focus on only that single sentence that was written in poor taste by a single individual.

One sentence in a candid email from a single researcher doesn't taint the entire climate change research field...
It's called grasping at straws, my friend.
post #103 of 175
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Originally Posted by KusH View Post
Climate gate is no strawman. There is some serious shenanigans that went on with those studies and a lot of skewed "scientific results" that were swayed one way for a political agenda.

This is the real problem when politics interfere with science. When scientists get paid large sums of money to present the statistics in the favor of their agenda. This happens way to often and really is hurting the scientific communities credibility tremendously.

It's so hard to decipher a politically motivated study vs. Something that is truly independent from any outside source with an agenda.

However these are very grey areas. I just find it sad that people of scientific nature would skew there results just for the money.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...limate-science

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Sir Muir Russell, the senior civil servant who led a six-month inquiry into the affair, said the "rigour and honesty" of the scientists at the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA) were not in doubt. His investigation concluded they did not subvert the peer review process to censor criticism and that key data was freely available and could be used by any "competent" researcher.
Where are you reading this? I don't recall seeing anything about kickbacks, or about data being skewed. Also, Penn State and 5 professors investigated Mann and found no wrongdoing. Were they being dicks in private emails? Yes. Did they conduct scientific misconduct or falsify data? No.

The people making this a political battle are people with tons of money to lose. If you knew where money went for research, you'd understand no one gets rich off of it.
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Exactly. How the hell is 100 years of anything going to change a planet that is 4.5 billion years old.

I'm pretty sure the dinosaurs farting for 165 million years has done more damage to the environment than a species on this planet for 6 million years, with industry for 100 years.
"Dinosaurs farting" is easily compensated for by nature. Human industry, not so much.
post #105 of 175
global warming is so fake...


earth go on cycles, soon or later it will become hotter and then colder (another ince age etc)

it may be coming some years later or sooner. Anyway, no humans will be here to check that up.

i really don't care.

The only thing that's confirmed, is that you gonna die.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...limate-science



Where are you reading this? I don't recall seeing anything about kickbacks, or about data being skewed. Also, Penn State and 5 professors investigated Mann and found no wrongdoing. Were they being dicks in private emails? Yes. Did they conduct scientific misconduct or falsify data? No.

The people making this a political battle are people with tons of money to lose. If you knew where money went for research, you'd understand no one gets rich off of it.

Exactly. I work in academic research and while my lab gets million dollar plus grants we get paid jack... Also a million dollars doesn't go as far as you think it would when you consider it is to fund research for several years. If you actually think about paying 10 to 15 people a decent salary over the course of 5 years it uses up most of that million dollars pretty quick.

Lets say a lab employs 10 researchers and gets a million dollar grant for a 3 year study.

1,000,000 / 3 = 333,333 dollars per year.

333,333 / 10 = 33,333 dollars to pay each person. That's nothing special. You can make that kind of money doing virtually any crappy job. And that is assuming that ALL of the money pays the researchers. Quite a bit of it goes towards equipment, supplies etc.

As a scientist I also undergo numerous conflict of interest investigations. We are also audited at least twice a year and must have all receipts for every cent that we spent. We have lost receipts for a $50 order for boxes of latex gloves and disposable plastic test tubes before and you wouldn't believe the crap we have to go through to sort it out.

Besides, scientists want to produce ground breaking data that will get them famous. A researcher stands to gain world wide fame and recognition if they could turn the global warming hypothesis on its head. Nobody cares if you produce yet another study confirming global warming.

The incentive for an individual scientist to further his career and gain notoriety would actually be to debunk global warming. If you think about every famous scientist was somebody who produced ground breaking data that went against the common knowledge of the day.
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What I think of every time I hear people arguing about climate change.
    
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However, the real important issues are:

Deforestation
Ozone depletion
Water/Soil pollution

That's all there is to it.
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Ok well the only thing I wanna know, is why all these rich people tell the middle and poor class to cut down on things like taking hot showers and not using as much energy.

While they're living in these huge house that use more energy then small country's and roll around in private jets.

Shouldn't they practice what the preach?

Al Gore and all his cronies are hypocrites trying to make money off the poor.
He was caught flying his private jet everywhere and was confronted about it.

Remember that global concert he had? Yea well he put more co2 in that atmosphere flying the bands around the world. So he bought carbon credits so its ok for him.

And how the F do carbon credits work anyways isn't the co2 still going in to the atmosphere? "But it's ok I bought carbon credits so I can do that" give me a break.
They can shove that propaganda type ***** up there @ss.

Reminds me of Reefer madness.

F them and until they change there ways I'll continue to drive my SUV and take showers as long as I want.
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As blameless said earlier (which is basically common knowledge on how they study climate patterns), you can take samples from ice and soil. They cannot see 4.5 billions years into the past, but we can see far back enough to know where the train supposed to be headed (but human involvement is speeding up this process, or at least that is what the debate is over).
Observation: The human population explodes -> The Earth warms up.
"Scientific" conclusion: Humans caused the Earth to warm up.

Observation: It rains on Tuesday -> My car is stolen on Wednesday.
Conclusion: When it rains my car will be stolen the following day.

Hey man cause-and-effect is real science bro.
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