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I think the problem here is some people can't see the science separately from what solutions are being proposed by politicians. People dislike what politicians propose and then wrongly conclude the entire science must be bunk. Want smarter solutions? Elect smarter more scientifically literate politicians.

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Originally Posted by Jess94 View Post
Observation: The human population explodes -> The Earth warms up.
"Scientific" conclusion: Humans caused the Earth to warm up.

Observation: It rains on Tuesday -> My car is stolen on Wednesday.
Conclusion: When it rains my car will be stolen the following day.

Hey man cause-and-effect is real science bro.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_argument
Edited by EarlGrey - 10/21/11 at 12:07pm
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I think the problem here is some people can't see the science separately from what solutions are being proposed by politicians. People dislike what politicians propose and then wrongly conclude the entire science must be bunk. Want smarter solutions? Elect smarter more scientifically literate politicians.
The solution is simple, stop eating meat... it's because of americas massive meat consumption that so many forests are being cut down to make room for the meat industry, for the amount of food we could have for human consumption if we replace meat completely we could feed ~15 times the population of america with whatever plant we replace it with, just from american produced food alone! (4.6 billion people incase you can't be bothered to work it out/google for hte population of america)
and the meat industry is resposnible for ~20% of the entirety of the human races co2 output.

so reduce emisions by 20% and keep the trees up to take the co2 out of the air and you have a much larger reduction in our co2 footprint than even that, approaching 50% reduction if we replant the trees that didn't need to be knocked down.

save the world and go vegan and as a side beenfit you'll be healthier too
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post #113 of 175
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Ok well the only thing I wanna know, is why all these rich people tell the middle and poor class to cut down on things like taking hot showers and not using as much energy.

While they're living in these huge house that use more energy then small country's and roll around in private jets.

Shouldn't they practice what the preach?

Al Gore and all his cronies are hypocrites trying to make money off the poor.
He was caught flying his private jet everywhere and was confronted about it.

Remember that global concert he had? Yea well he put more co2 in that atmosphere flying the bands around the world. So he bought carbon credits so its ok for him.

And how the F do carbon credits work anyways isn't the co2 still going in to the atmosphere? "But it's ok I bought carbon credits so I can do that" give me a break.
They can shove that propaganda type ***** up there @ss.

Reminds me of Reefer madness.

F them and until they change there ways I'll continue to drive my SUV and take showers as long as I want.
So you admit you have no idea how it works, and then you go ahead to say it's all a bunch of b.s.

Fantastic argument.

p.s. You might not have noticed but OCN is carbon neutral too. Try clicking on this at the bottom of the page



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The problem I see is this.
What can I possibly do about it?
Vote for politicians who are scientifically literate and care about the future of our country in the long term. Not hundreds of years in the future, but around the time you are ready to retire. Vote for someone who cares that the earth still has a hospitable environment. By that I don't necessarily mean temperature, which will only change by a few degrees, but the effects thereof on the food and water supply. You want Florida to still have fresh water when you go there for your golfing retirement.

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Ok so the earth is ~4.5 billion years old. We have a few hundred years of data and because the temp "rapidly climbed" 1 degree we assume it's caused by us? The temperature on earth has gone though hot and cold spells since its formation. That's probably all this is.
*At a hospital*: "Ok, so we just measured a 104 degree fever on this patient and we assume that it's caused by the new virulent strain of flu that's been going around? He's had plenty of 101 degree fevers throughout his life and has always cooled down no problem. Just leave him be and have him carry on with his day. He's only had that fever since this morning; we don't have enough data to assume it won't break soon."

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This. Thank you. 500 years ago we KNEW the earth was flat. Now we KNOW we're causing global warming. I'm calling BS.
We don't know exactly what's causing global warming. We do know it's warming at a record rate since human industry began to expand rapidly, producing gasses which are known via experimental study to trap heat. The correlation is strong in this one.

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Originally Posted by L D4WG View Post

1.
The only thing I really believe is that the earth warms and cools naturally over thousands of years, and at the current point in time, the temperature is on a natural rise.

2.
Also what I do know is that governments and institutions are cashing in on this, whether that means they are behind false scare mongering, i don't know.

3.
I think there needs to be an International Climate Change Institute, where scientists can go, show there studies and finding and have them properly scrutinised by others in the community.
1. Why do you believe that? Why is your evidence of a warming-cooling cycle dating back thousands of years supersede the evidence of a recent spike in temperature?

2. Of course they're cashing in on this; we live in a capitalistic society. If there's a legitimate need for a product or service, they'd be foolish not to cash in.

3: You mean something like this? http://unfccc.int/2860.php

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Don't live in someone else's results, go and discover your own, that's what being free is all about.
I completely agree! Why are you using that mobo that someone else with more knowledge and experience in electrical engineering designed? Go and build your own!

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1.
i wonder how many of these weather stations are located in the vast area of water that occupies -what? - 70% of the earth?

2.
for all you supporting this theory - can you honestly say you will not fill up your tank starting today? until then . . .
1. Not very many. That's what satellite thermal imaging is for.

2. Nope. But I will, and always have, attempt to vote for climate-conscious politicians who have the power to effect a more wide-reaching change.

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The fact of the matter is that we don't have enough recorded data to accurately say anything is out of the normal.
We have a chart which shows a relatively fat T vs. time slope, and the sharply spikes upward around the time that industry started to boom. Whether or not causation is there, we most definitely do see a trend that's "out of the normal".

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I know google scholar is not the best reference (I avoid using it to find citations for my own work), but it's a very accessible place to get started if anyone cares to enlighten themselves.
Why is google scholar not a good reference? It links to the same peer-reviewed journals that other databases do.

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The graph in the OP covers less than 0.000005% of the earth's life.
Yes, and a car crash covers less than 0.0000005% of a person's life. Want to argue that a car crash is not a significant event?

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Ok well the only thing I wanna know, is why all these rich people tell the middle and poor class to cut down on things like taking hot showers and not using as much energy.

F them and until they change there ways I'll continue to drive my SUV and take showers as long as I want.
If you think the scientists behind that study are rich, you are very misguided. Most scientists themselves are middle class, just like you. If you can direct me to a place where scientists can become rich on a consistent basis, I'd really appreciate it!

And I suggest you take a cold shower, energy savings or not. It sounds like you need one
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If you think the scientists behind that study are rich, you are very misguided. Most scientists themselves are middle class, just like you. If you can direct me to a place where scientists can become rich on a consistent basis, I'd really appreciate it!

And I suggest you take a cold shower, energy savings or not. It sounds like you need one
Never said scientists I said the rich. The 1% the ones that own everything.

I know most scientist aren't rich.
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So the hypothesis goes as humans are causing global warming?
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Never said scientists I said the rich. The 1% the ones that own everything.

I know most scientist aren't rich.
...really?


It's no wonder why the rest of the world resents us.
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How is my argument a Strawman when I accurately represented his argument? I don't think you understand the concept of fallacies.
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Why no giant spike in the dirty 30's?
The depression in the late 20's might have caused that
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