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With mass production of electric cars being manufactured in 2013+

GW will go down quite a lot.
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post #42 of 175
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Originally Posted by Usario View Post
Honestly, I might've been more inclined to believe global warming if the "scientists" revealing it didn't wreak of hypocrisy, lies, and possibly conspiracy.
"Climategate" turned out to be nothing. All scientists involved stood up to scrutiny. Even when hundreds of global warming skeptics poured over their hacked emails the worst they could find was that single line "Hide the decline". Their published data turned out to be legit and they could provide all original data that they used to make their calculations.

"According to NOAA scientists, 2010 tied with 2005 as the warmest year of the global surface temperature record, beginning in 1880. This was the 34th consecutive year with global temperatures above the 20th century average"

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...obalstats.html

Nobody is saying for certain that humans are the cause. But you have to be a complete and utter retard to ignore the proof that the world's average temperature is rising.

It's ok to argue about WHY the temperature is rising. But to deny that it is rising is just stupid.

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Originally Posted by H3XUS View Post
With mass production of electric cars being manufactured in 2013+

GW will go down quite a lot.
In my opinion electric cars are a joke. About 70%-80% of the worlds electricity is generated with fossil fuels. Electric cars still run on 70-80% fossil fuel...

I think biofuels are the answer. Yes the fuel produces CO2 when it is burned, but the carbon in the fuel was taken from the air when the fuel was grown. The net change in carbon is zero. Fossil fuels are releasing carbon that was isolated from the environment. That's why the CO2 level is rising.
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We do have quite a few natural records that often give details on past climates.

My point was that the sort of extremes you mentioned are nearly unheard of, and not at all necissary to cause problems. The average global temperature was only 5-10C lower during the peak of the last glacial maximum (ice age).

You don't need any where near as dramatic a change (in either direction) to kill a lot of life, and have a dramatic effect.



Most models have already taken such cycles into account.



Another thing that has been taken into consideration.



There are ice and soil cores that give information going back hundreds of thousands of years, and sometimes much longer.

The reason the graph only goes back 200 years is because detailed contemporary human observations only go back so far, and more importantly because before the second industrial revolution, human output of greenhouse gases was minuscule, and we are looking for recent change due to such things.

We do know that recent changes are unusually rapid, and strongly correlated with human activity.

We suspect, not know. Also you know very little about how any of these studies were conducted beyond how they tell you they did them.

Besides everyone knows Cows are the biggest problem we have.
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I know they exist, I'm just arguing their resolution is high enough yet.
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Didn't NASA disprove global warming?
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post #46 of 175
Lets look at this from a more simple perspective.

So ~430 weather stations is all it takes to measure the "average earth temperature." We are also certain that temperature readings were perfectly accurate dating back to the 1800's. Lol... strike one

Using certain techniques we are able to figure the temperature average for certain time periods/locations which clearly show this kind of warming trend, then a cooling trend, then a warming trend. Never mentions this warming trend as being in any way related to natural earth cycles?! etc... strike two

This study simply remeasured what was previously measured. How in the hell does a 1c rise in average temperature prove man-made global warming? It proves the earth, in 430 locations, is rising in temperature slightly..... strike 3

Because I challenge the validity of this "science" does not make me a denier of man-made global warming, in fact, it makes sense that mankind definitely does play a role in effecting the climate. The problem is that this phenomenon is being promoted as FACT and therefor used to push energy policies that negatively effecting economies around the world by creating artificial markets/jobs. This issue has way more political gain if your the one promoting it as an "undeniable fact."
post #47 of 175
Global Warming is just another way they want to tax you.

Honestly read about it.
    
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Why no giant spike in the dirty 30's?
I don't see a spike, but the slope of the line in that decade is fairly steep. What's surprising to me is how the thing goes near logarithmic once the human population explodes. (From 1950 to now, the human population has tripled. TRIPLED.)

I for one, feel it stands to reason that the scientific method has been the sole method that has been remotely effective at "figuring out how things work". With it, we have nearly tripled the human lifespan, improved sanitation and nutritional status for virtually all of the civilized world. Allowed instantaneous communication anywhere in the world. GPS, computers, refrigeration, Air conditioning, transportation (I can get from NC to Australia in about a single day.) Comfort, entertainment, etc.

There isn't a single facet of your life that the scientific method has not had a significant impact upon. HOWEVER, the moment the scientific method produces anything that inconveniences the masses the resounding impulse is to KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!

The very fact that the oil and gas industry spends billions to discredit the findings of reputable scientists from hundreds of countries and virtually all institutes of science and higher learning makes me feel....dubious. I can't watch anything on TV without commercials where some smiling business suit softly and soothingly tells me how wonderful and perfect and safe frakking/gulf deepwater drilling/tar sand pipeline/drilling in Alaska is.

1000's of scientists with no overt affiliation vs handful of energy conglomerates/GOP
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post #49 of 175
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Didn't NASA disprove global warming?
No. A well known climate change skeptic used some NASA data but did anything but disprove AGW. He published a paper in a peer reviewed journal (not a well known one, the article didn't belong where it was published) with conclusions and results that did no such thing. He didn't address any of the previous work that was contrary to his assertions (although he inspired another paper which really tears apart his ideas), and then it got carried by the media as something much different.

If you want proof about how climate models work, see here. You can read the technical notes, download the code (if you register but that is free), run the model, and do whatever you like.
 
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This only prove those people saying every summer is hotter than the last are just bickering biscuits. THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE IN THE LAST 80 YEARS WENT UP 1 CELSIUS. a/c off, the fan will be on low, only I control which window will be row down. MUHAHAHA
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