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they are not going to change sockets because its the chip if they can make a x4 and x6 that performs well then fix BD they r looking in to B3 stepping http://www.anandtech.com/show/4997/a...er-b3-stepping
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They seriously need to go LGA for all sockets. CPU pins are evil.
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They seriously need to go LGA for all sockets. CPU pins are evil.
The amount of fail in your theory, cannot be measured in terms available in the known universe. The ZIF PGA is excellent.
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They seriously need to go LGA for all sockets. CPU pins are evil.
Having damaged pins on both types, I'd say you couldn't be more wrong. With LGA the board is ruined (and most vendors won't take it back unless you -just- bought it - they will charge you to fix it) while with PGA you can take a pencil and fix them easy-peasy.
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post #35 of 41
The backwards compatability is such a moot point...it really wouldn't not matter if they dropped it. Perhaps it would help their perfromance some if they did.

Who here would go out and buy and AM3+ CPU and run it in a AM3 motherboard? sure it will power on, but you are going to be missing out on features and performance...why not just get a cheaper AM3 CPU since the AM3+ will be limited to the AM3 Feature set anyway?

This backward compatability is good for two things...people who buy their rig in pieces and will only run it that way for a very limited time and for old rigs where performance doesn't matter. Like in one of my media machines I have an AM3 X2 in an old AM2+ motherboard...just because i had it and some old DDR2 memory laying around. I don't need any performance jsut somthing that will work. I honestly would have just bought a AM2+ CPU but I got the X2 cheaper new from Newegg than I likely could have gotten a used AM2+ CPU from some one. Rigs like that should not be the norm, but the exception.

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Having damaged pins on both types, I'd say you couldn't be more wrong. With LGA the board is ruined (and most vendors won't take it back unless you -just- bought it - they will charge you to fix it) while with PGA you can take a pencil and fix them easy-peasy.
I second this...I definately don't like LGA. I've seen alot of bent pins on a CPU get fixed just fine. pulling the "pins" striaght on a MB is almost impossilbe...though i have only seen one mother board with bent pins and I did get it working for the guy, but it took a long time.
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The amount of fail in your theory, cannot be measured in terms available in the known universe. The ZIF PGA is excellent.
Zero Insertion Force? More like Zero Removal Force. I can't count the number of times I've ripped PGAs out of the socket when trying to remove a heatsink. I don't see how anyone could damage LGA socket pins, really.

The LGA retention plate is my best friend. Haters gonna hate.

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Having damaged pins on both types, I'd say you couldn't be more wrong. With LGA the board is ruined (and most vendors won't take it back unless you -just- bought it - they will charge you to fix it) while with PGA you can take a pencil and fix them easy-peasy.
How on earth do people manage to bend LGA pins?
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How on earth do people manage to bend LGA pins?
LOL I don't know...but my nieghbor managed to do it.

I guess it is a trade off:

LGA means it is harder to damage something, but it is much harder to fix it if you do.

PGA means it is easer to damage something, but it is much easier to fix it you do.

Considering how I am just as carefull with LGA as I am with PGA...I would prefer the PGA for the just in case situation.
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I would like to see the entire northbridge be put on the chip. I believe this would require a pretty hefty socket change.
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post #39 of 41
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well an article i read about the FM2 socket may become the standard for both platforms.
as gpu will be set in both(gpu replacing floating point units) and that socket becoming a BGA(ball grid array) absolutely no pins and having around 1500 connections(assumption from linus tech tips)
backwards compatibility would still be able to be done would just be a new socket type.

the reason i have this thinking is you have a ton of little female sockets in in the pga style socket. you would think that after a while this socket would need a good cleaning even if the cpu has never been removed, it isn't air and dust tight. you aren't going to get them clean with out being able to clean each one individually. and the way that the pga has to slide the pins to make connection has got be be some loss in connectivivity the the board.
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^Isn't BGA non-removeable? I thought BGAs are soldered in...
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