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1. You give them your consent when you agree to the EULA.

2. Steam collets program data.



Steam collects program data though......as shown here:







Funny, cause I'm sure the point that Steam actually DOES collect program data when you're so sure that it doesn't is quite a valid point? (Or are you pretending that you actually never discussed it?)

As is the fact that you do actually give Origin consent to collect hardware/program data when you agree to their terms and conditions.

Never mind though....
No, you are missing the point. You are given a message prompt asking if you would like to participate in the Steam Hardware survey each time it asks.

Origin collects data without giving you the message prompt. If you agree to the Origin EULA, hardware and software data may be uploaded at any time.

The difference is Steam makes you aware that you can accept or decline uploading hardware/software data each time it asks. That is more transparent.

Proof? Steam user since beta in 2003. Received and declined about 25 of those Steam Hardware surveys.
Edited by Riou - 10/23/11 at 10:30pm
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So the fact that a person says Steam doesn't collect program data, when Steam does collect program data, is negated by the fact that its optional?



I guess this means that iI can say Origin doesn't collect program data because you can disagree to it by refusing the EULA?

Of course not.

The fact that you can choose to opt out of the survery, doesn't negate the fact that Steam survey does collect program data while you are 100% "sure" that it does not.
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So the fact that a person says Steam doesn't collect program data, when Steam does collect program data, is negated by the fact that its optional?



I guess this means that iI can say Origin doesn't collect program data because you can disagree to it by refusing the EULA?

Of course not.

The fact that you can choose to opt out of the survery, doesn't negate the fact that Steam survey does collect program data while you are 100% "sure" that it does not.
If you disagree to the EULA, can you even install Origin? I guess you can't.
This way they force you to agree to it, if you e.g. only bought Battlefield 3.
Steam on the other way can be installed without any problems and asks you every time if you wish to participate.
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And they're alllllll there against their will.
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If you disagree to the EULA, can you even install Origin? I guess you can't.
This way they force you to agree to it, if you e.g. only bought Battlefield 3.
Steam on the other way can be installed without any problems and asks you every time if you wish to participate.
I know that, however, the only point I was making, was towards someone who was quite insistant that Steam does not collect program data during its surveys.
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No, you are missing the point. You are given a message prompt asking if you would like to participate in the Steam Hardware survey each time it asks.

Origin collects data without giving you the message prompt. If you agree to the Origin EULA, hardware and software data may be uploaded at any time.

The difference is Steam makes you aware that you can accept or decline uploading hardware/software data each time it asks. That is more transparent.

Proof? Steam user since beta in 2003. Received and declined about 25 of those Steam Hardware surveys.
Are you implying that you don't agree with the EULA, but have "agreed" to it anyways?

Well then that's your fault, along with a lot of other people here.
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You can find EA games cheaper on steam than origin. Great value eh? And STEAM is overpriced.
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Are you implying that you don't agree with the EULA, but have "agreed" to it anyways?

Well then that's your fault, along with a lot of other people here.
What?

If you agree to installing Origin, you accept the EULA of course. My point is that there is not an opt-out or opt-in for hardware/software data collection with Origin.

Even Microsoft Security Essentials asks you if you want to send data to their servers for unknown viruses/trojans.

If you are fine with third party companies collecting data about your computer and not informing you of when and what they are sending, be my guest. If MS did the same thing as Origin, I am sure a lot more people would cry foul.

If you want to use Origin, that is your choice. I am not here to tell you what to do. I respect your decision.
Edited by Riou - 10/24/11 at 4:05am
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You can find EA games cheaper on steam than origin. Great value eh? And STEAM is overpriced.
Not sure if serious

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No, I'm just not acting like the nvidia vs amd fanboy when it comes to something so trivial as a game launcher lmao.

I have both and use both to play games regularly.

Both start up together when windows loads.

Both shut down together when my computer shuts down.

I just find it funny that the "yeah but they only have Origin cause of BF3" argument is being made as though the reason Steam is installed in millions of computers has nothing to do with the fact that it is 100% required for certain high profile games.
Way to not see the long term. Thanks to the precedent Origin sets now we can look forward to Activision and every other game company jumping the bandwagon and creating their own steam and origin me-too service, here comes 10 different downloaders starting with windows and our games scattered among ten different "libraries".

A big reason Steam made buying instead of pirating a path of less resistance for a lot of people was for the simplicity and consolidation - everything in one place. Reinstalling Windows and getting your games back was just a matter of reinstalling Steam and you were done. So much for that.
Edited by odditory - 10/24/11 at 4:16am
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