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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
What does a motherboard have to do with the physical size of a CPU?


The physical size of a CPU die is primarily a function of number of transistors and lithography process.


http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/t...-fx8150-tested
8 Core Bulldozer on a 32nm with ~2B transistors is 315mm^2.
4 Core Sandy Bridge on a 32nm with 995M transistors is 216mm^2.
Perhaps he meant the socket would have to be revised? Even then, the package could remain the same, even if the CPU on it were physically smaller.

Less than 10% of the size and weight of the "CPU" is the actual processor, most is the IHS, followed by the PCB providing the connections between the processor and motherboard, then (typically) power circuitry and they top it off with an itty bitty hunk of silicon, only the surface layer of which is actually printed with the CPU.
    
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
What does a motherboard have to do with the physical size of a CPU?


The physical size of a CPU die is primarily a function of number of transistors and lithography process.


http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/t...-fx8150-tested
8 Core Bulldozer on a 32nm with ~2B transistors is 315mm^2.
4 Core Sandy Bridge on a 32nm with 995M transistors is 216mm^2.
I mean physical size as in like this:



If Intel/AMD did that then they would need new sockets every time they release a new CPU with different lithography.
    
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Originally Posted by Galciv12 View Post
But are CPU packages shrinking with their dies? And wouldn't shrinking the package be better by taking up less mobo space and such?
Not if it requires a new socket every time.

Also, the package/substrate is so large because of the number of pins/pads that are needed.

It would be largely pointless and extremely wasteful to shrink the CPU packaging every change in die size.
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I mean physical size as in like this:



If Intel/AMD did that then they would need new sockets every time they release a new CPU with different lithography.
Forgive me if i am mistaken, but don't we have to do this everytime intel releases a new cpu architecture anyway? with the exception of very compatiable counterparts like the 45nm wolfdales and the 65 and 95nm CPU's before it, in recent times, there have been three intel sockets for three different cpu designs (1156, 1155, 1366), with the exception of the Nehalem architecture, and we have had to buy a new board each time. AMD is actually good at the whole one-socket-for-every-cpu, except the CPU's arent really worth buying anyway.
    
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Forgive me if i am mistaken, but don't we have to do this everytime intel releases a new cpu architecture anyway? with the exception of very compatiable counterparts like the 45nm wolfdales and the 65 and 95nm CPU's before it, in recent times, there have been three intel sockets for three different cpu designs (1156, 1155, 1366), with the exception of the Nehalem architecture, and we have had to buy a new board each time. AMD is actually good at the whole one-socket-for-every-cpu, except the CPU's arent really worth buying anyway.
This is only true in the short term.

Generally, most sockets survive at least one die shrink and AMD has had just as many consumer sockets as Intel, if not more, in the time they have been using their own platforms.
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This is only true in the short term.

Generally, most sockets survive at least one die shrink and AMD has had just as many consumer sockets as Intel, if not more, in the time they have been using their own platforms.
thats strange because i just counted how many socket types they have had over the years (look up cpu socket on wiki) and came up with amd-17 and intel-30 sockets/slots.... now this is including laptop/notebook and server sockets but that is a rather large discrepancy (this includes sockets/slots that work with both amd and intel cpu types)
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there is no point to shrink the physical size of the cpu mount (meaning the LGA + ihs) since the heat sink hanging over it is still the same size
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