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According to these forums, Steve was either a horrible immoral man that we should forget about, or a saint that made our lives what they are. Why can't they be both? Steve Jobs defined a lot of the technology we take for granted these days, and he deserves every bit of recognition for that. He was also a shrewd, arguably unethical business man (like many who succeed) with some questionable practices. We shouldn't idolize him, but we should remember him.
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Lol, why would that make him look evil? There's something quite wrong with your judgement of good and evil


I see some similarities here.
    
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post #193 of 252
By "righting this wrong" you mean taking a monopoly on the mobile phone market. Before android, there was iOS and that crappy proprietary OS for every phone that NEVER worked


I have respect for steve, but only for his business tatics.

Also, Apple has 80+ Billion in the bank...
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And then Gates stole all the money. Now I understand, thanks for clearing that up.
Yep. He stole all of the work that Woz and Steve and the dozens of other employees who had built Macs and made an exact clone he was selling for himself. His little work on Applesoft somehow made him feel he was entitled to steal the entire OS for himself.



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Sorry for the mis-spell. I hypothesized that Woz would have become rich without Jobs (emphasis on hypothesized). The story told in the source of one of my previous posts leaves little room to dispute the story of theft.
Yeah, the "story" is a complete falsehood as has already been explained above. Learn to source your facts properly. Anyone can make up a blog post but that doesn't make it true.


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I was just a little off here (was mostly typing from memory). Jobs was rehired when NeXT was bought (late 1996). He became "interim CEO" in 1997 and official CEO in 2000.
That's right, he didn't become CEO and force them to buy a "failing" NeXT. They wanted his OS so badly they paid $400 million for it. I wouldn't call that "a little" off.

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The company almost went broke. Jobs blew through 247 Million dollars of investors money (Canon alone invested 155 million). The company signed some deals with IBM and Sun (who later shelved the project) that made the company marginally profitable a few months before its purchase. Even so, the company was forced to become a software company and Jobs knew that he couldn't fight Windows and win.
Again, you're "a little" off claiming that NeXT was marginally profitable. They had one of the most advanced OSs at that time. Their networking alone was far ahead of anything else on the market. The company had a high valuation for such a young startup.


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IIRC, Jobs was heavily involved in NeXT during the time when Pixar was becoming famous (the whole Toy Story thing). He wasn't too involved in the day to day business. He bought Pixar from George Lucas and the team was already successful (doing CG for major movies) before he bought it.
And, again, you're "a little" off. He created Pixar with his own money and hired an animator from Disney that was crucial in creating the wildly successful short films. They were working on eventually creating a fully featured film, which we now know as Toy Story. You like to claim that Pixar was already "successful" and already had the artists working when the reality is the exact opposite. Lucasfilm graphics group was a failing company which hadn't done anything relevant in years. They were losing money and did not have any creative artists before Steve came along and hired artists like John Lasseter.



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If anything, they bought it because Jobs was a better salesman than the CEO of BeOS. Without regards to salesmanship, the fact was that "out of the blue", Jobs decided to sell and selling did make the company look like a bigger success than it was.
You clearly have no understanding of why NeXT was bought. He didn't try to sell NeXT to Apple. It has nothing to do with salesmanship as there was never a meeting to try and sell NeXT. Apple wanted Steve back running Apple and they wanted his OS along with him.



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Nice new notification bar iOS 5. Oh wait...it's from Android.
Another ignorant troll... Notifications were already on iOS for years. Apple hired a developer to put it in iOS5 among other things. Let's just ignore that the entire Android OS is a copy of iOS as well while we're at it.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 10/21/11 at 4:20pm
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I would imagine he felt a lot like Xerox....
LoL, TRUTH.

'Excuse me, do you have a floppy disk, i would love a copy of that to tinker with'

An Empire was born that afternoon..
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I agree with him............
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Delete.
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post #198 of 252
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Yep. He stole all of the work that Woz and Steve and the dozens of other employees who had built the Macintosh and made an exact clone he was selling for himself. His little work on Applesoft somehow made him feel he was entitled to steal the entire OS for himself.
Talking about the five grand he got for working on breakout. Well I say he was working on breakout, but really it was Wozniak who done all the hard work.

Jobs got 95% of the money for doing 10% of the work. In a 50/50 partnership.
Edited by Tehrawk - 10/21/11 at 3:57pm
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As to him being a smart business person.

from Arstechnica

Would a smart business person refuse 5 Billion dollars, let alone threaten to spend 40 Billion more just to prove a point? Getting paid for each Android device made would have been the smart business decision.
Yes. Because he knows he will win and he knows that he will disable his main competitor. You have to consider the way this guy operated, he was incredibly passionate about his work.

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...he still (supposedly through legal means) was placed on a transplant list and received a liver (which probably resulted in someone else dying because he took their liver).
What? AFAIK organs are harvested AFTER death. The liver came from a person already dead.

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He sold an image to his customers, that is all.

The market for high-end portable devices has been around since the 90's. The only part of the device that could be viewed as revolutionary in any way (and there were others) was a capacitive touch device. Nokia and others had considered capacitive screens (remember, Apple just bought the screens; another company though that they were good enough to waste R&D on and then waste production resources on) as a problem. The problem with capacitive screens is that stylus' don't work well with them. A stylus is much faster for quite a few Asian languages and Asia is a huge market. The other factor is that a finger is not as precise. That said, many companies were playing with the idea of finger UI's. The one thing that Steve did with adopting the capacitive screen is to make people believe that resistive screens are bad when in fact the current generation of resistive screens are better in that they have the same durability as capacitive (due to using glass), they have the capability of using precise stylus', and they allow for variable pressure (capacitive screens can only sense on or off, not how much pressure. Pressure is, at best, guesstimated based on the size of the contact area which leads to inaccuracies for people with different sized hands).

As for a revolutionary OS, almost every idea was already used by some other company at a previous time. Further, Android, WebOS, and WM6 were already in the pipes and Maemo (later merged with Meego) had been shipping since 2005.

It is ludicrous to believe that a tech company that invests as little as Apple does into research could develop ALL the mobile innovation of the decade. The industry was well aware of the future of smartphones as touch devices long before Apple released the iphone.
Jobs was a genius, he may have stolen ideas, however he made something completely unique and innovative out of them. It has evolved to something even greater than that at this point.
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And yet people forget he had this written down by newton to be included in his biography, it is not some secret that got out... He clearly says he want's it gone because they are stealing all his ideas which is a fair argument IMO

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he was ready to wipe out a company because he doesnt like android it doesnt make sense. to me that seem a bit evit. Its like someone saying i dont like this country there to liberal and destroyed it or i dont like this guy his to rich and kills him
Perhaps you don't quite get what the article or Steve is saying.

"This hostile statement was a response to the introduction of an HTC handset in January 2010 that was similar to the iPhone; too similar for Jobs's liking. The Apple CEO reportedly met with Eric Schmidt to discuss what he called "grand theft." Jobs told Schmidt he wouldn't accept any settlement, even if it was US$5 billion, and ordered the Google chief to stop copying the iPhone.

This excerpt sheds some light on that mysterious cafe meeting between Job and Schmidt that captivated the Internet for a short time last year. It also explains Apple's fierce legal battle against Android handset makers including Motorola, HTC and Samsung."
Edited by UnAimed - 10/21/11 at 4:01pm
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