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4870 rig:
e5200 @ 3.4ghz
4gb ram
p5q deluxe
4870 1gb
cs source benchmark: 53fps everything maxed @ 1680x1050, 59fps @ 1920x1200

6870 rig:
q6700 @ 3.6ghz
4gb ram
p5q deluxe
6870 1gb dirt 3 edition
cs source benchmark: 51fps everything maxed @ 1680x1050 (no 1920x1200 monitor with this rig)

Any idea what might be causing this?
post #2 of 8
Is multicore rendering turned on, for CS:S? It may only be using two cores on your quad.
 
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Did not see an option for it, even there it should still out preform the 4870 as the e5200 is a dual @ a lower speed. The 4870 also out preforms it in Just Cause 2
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Looks like a CPU bottleneck..
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Should also mention the 4870 is on older drivers (11.3 I think) and the 6870 is on 11.9

@thryack That was my last suspicion, as it is a quad at a higher speed on the same motherboard. Maybe I have to raise the ram clocks a bit?
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Did not see an option for it, even there it should still out preform the 4870 as the e5200 is a dual @ a lower speed. The 4870 also out preforms it in Just Cause 2
It should be in the Advanced settings in the video section of CS:S, also the C2D's are better than the quads, clock-for-clock, so if it's running only on two cores, which it sounds like, it's viable the C2D system is a tad faster.
Check core usage when playing JC2 on the performance tab in Task Manager?

Also, you could try swapping the card's in the systems, and seeing if the results change that much, maybe need a frequency boost on the CPU?
 
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Originally Posted by silverbullet133 View Post
4870 rig:
e5200 @ 3.4ghz
4gb ram
p5q deluxe
4870 1gb
cs source benchmark: 53fps everything maxed @ 1680x1050, 59fps @ 1920x1200

6870 rig:
q6700 @ 3.6ghz
4gb ram
p5q deluxe
6870 1gb dirt 3 edition
cs source benchmark: 51fps everything maxed @ 1680x1050 (no 1920x1200 monitor with this rig)

Any idea what might be causing this?
The 68xx are not a replacements for 58xx series nor 48xx series. Let me clarify:

The 6950 replaces 5850
The 6850 replaces 5750

So, we can see that your 6870 should replace the 5770

So, I am not sure if the 5770 replaces the 4770, but it definitely does not replace the THEN high end 4870.

While the 4850 is an older card, it is considered a high end card while the 6870 is not as high end, hence we see similar performance.

Source for some things I wrote (I know its youtube, but its credible):

Edited by Mastakok - 10/21/11 at 12:33pm
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Thanks

Just thought it would be better then it is lol...
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