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Teaching an old dog new tricks : my 3 year old i7 965

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Hi, about 3-4 years ago I decided I was going to build a top end PC that was going to last me for years to come. The goal was ultra performance Gaming, excellent multitasking, and near commercial level 3d/video rendering.
This was my original newegg order dated 11/30/2008:

1 x MSI X58 Eclipse SLI LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
3 x EVGA 01G-P3-1282-AR GeForce GTX 280 SuperClocked Edition 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
1 x Intel Core i7-965 Extreme Edition Bloomfield 3.2GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80601965
1 x CORSAIR DOMINATOR 3GB (3 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X3G1600C8D
2 x Western Digital VelociRaptor WD3000GLFS 300GB 10000 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive -Bare Drive
1 x Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 32-bit for System Builders - OEM
1 x Killer NIC K1 Gaming Network Card – 10/100/1000Mbps PCI Network Adapter -- Less Game Lag, Smoother Gameplay
1 x XCLIO 1000 Black / Silver 1.0mm SECC Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
1 x XCLIO DIAMONDPOWER 1080W ATX12V / EPS12V CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply
1 x LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model iHAS220-08 LightScribe Support
1 x Sony Optiarc Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1675S - OEM
1 x Creative 70SB088000004 7.1 Channels PCI Express 1x Interface PCI Express Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium

With that setup I managed to quite easily hit a stable 4.2ghz on a coolermaster V8 air cooler. Unfortunately a year into ownership half the proprietary fans on my case died and I was unable to RMA at that point so I dropped the cpu down to 3.8ghz due to high system temps. Also by this time MSI had finaly admitted that my 3 way sli board wasnt realy a 3 way but rather 2 way + physics so I sold a GTX280 to a friend.

last winter I upgraded again with :
1 x NZXT Digital Artic-Camo (Water Transfer Printing) TEMPEST EVO Mid Tower
1 x CORSAIR DOMINATOR GT 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMT6GX3M3A1600C7
And after my disgust with my MSI board:
1x EVGA x58 Classified 3 way SLI mobo

I had no problems what so ever setting up and running a very stable 3.8ghz cpu, but couldn't seem to hit that 4.2 I originally had on my MSI board.

So I left things alone until 2 months ago when I replaced my aging and extremely hot running pair of 280's for a pair of EVGA GTX460's (clocked and volted to FTW specs) I was absolutely thrilled @ the performance running the BF3 beta, and video/cad rendering picked up aswell.

So last week my buddy a ROG mobo started running an H100 on his 930 setup with the same mobo and runs 4.2-4.4 p95 stable. I ordered an H100 and installed it 3 days ago, hoping to pick up where I left off 3 years ago with overclocking my 965.

I was able to boot to windows a few times and run benchmarks @ 4.4 but I just cant get it prime stable. I understand very well that my C0/C1 chip will require more power then his D0 but im convinced im missing something on my voltage settings...

Im currently running a 4.0ghz @:
133x33
VCORE: 1.425
QPI VCORE: 1.425
IOH VCORE: 1.35
CPU VTT + 275mv
DRAMM: 1.66 (memory is @ 1600 in xmp)

Im looking to a daily stable 4.4-4.5 overclock, but im hitting a few brick walls...
So heres where I ask,beg,and plead for your help (in that order)

problems:
1. I cant take advantage of my unlocked multipliers since my ram doesnt even like to run @ 1603mhz in xmp mode (tested ram in friends machine, its fine)
2. Im not entirely sure Ive tweaked all the propper voltage settings and the EVGA comunity is not very helpful. Ie: "your a noob, sell your mobo and buy an E-machine"
3. plagued with BSOD #124 I just cannot find the right qpi voltage.

Notes: I havent even tried to OC the QPI since I cant get stable over 4.2.

I read through some older 965 post but theres nothing recent and I didnt want to necro an old thread lol.

Thanks in advance for any help,
Garrett
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i see your using the cpu multiplier for overclocking, and have left your Base Clock at 133, i would consider lowering your multiplier to around 27 and use your Base Clock to overclock from there. most of the time the highest overclocks are done with a increase in cpu multi and BCLK/FSB.

the next thing to look at is that for a 4ghz clock speed your needing 1.425vcore which is getting pretty high so a 4.4-4.5ghz overclock for 24/7 use (id even say for use over an hour) is not going to happen.
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Well, I don't know how much help I can be, but maybe I can provide some emotional support xD Looking at your voltages, I don't see anything immediately out of line with the voltages; but I would say keep changing them slightly and then stress test more.

But, just because you seem to have hit a wall with the cpu doesn't mean that dog don't hunt no more. Get a good benchmarking program (there is a whole section about benchmarks and programs for that) so you can track the effect on performance from various tweaks. Make very slight adjustments to other things (especially ram related). There are great guides here for over clocking non-cpu things, and people who know a lot about that stuff. All I'm saying is you have some quite powerful hardware that you can get a lot more performance out of, even if you aren't having much luck with the cpu.
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Originally Posted by Kal777 View Post
i see your using the cpu multiplier for overclocking, and have left your Base Clock at 133, i would consider lowering your multiplier to around 27 and use your Base Clock to overclock from there. most of the time the highest overclocks are done with a increase in cpu multi and BCLK/FSB.

the next thing to look at is that for a 4ghz clock speed your needing 1.425vcore which is getting pretty high so a 4.4-4.5ghz overclock for 24/7 use (id even say for use over an hour) is not going to happen.
The older C0 chips do require quite a bit more voltage. 1.6 is not unheard of.
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Well, I don't know how much help I can be, but maybe I can provide some emotional support xD Looking at your voltages, I don't see anything immediately out of line with the voltages; but I would say keep changing them slightly and then stress test more.

But, just because you seem to have hit a wall with the cpu doesn't mean that dog don't hunt no more. Get a good benchmarking program (there is a whole section about benchmarks and programs for that) so you can track the effect on performance from various tweaks. Make very slight adjustments to other things (especially ram related). There are great guides here for over clocking non-cpu things, and people who know a lot about that stuff. All I'm saying is you have some quite powerful hardware that you can get a lot more performance out of, even if you aren't having much luck with the cpu.
Im using a decent benchmark (performance test 64bit), and actualy did just as you suggested and bench-marked and logged speeds from stock to 4.4ghz.

I guess were I feel like I hit the wall is the random BSOD moments with code 124. I just cant figure out if the damned thing wants more or less voltage and TBH I dont know where I can safely push QPI voltage. Im not afraid to up the cpu vcore being that Ive seen 1.6v C0's and my individual core temps dont go above 61-63 in p95 now and idle in the 38-42 range.
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Ok so I took your advice and tried the 27 multiplier. Like Is aid typically this ram doesn't want to post over 1600 on this rig but its sitting @ 1633 just fine for once.

Heres what Ive got going on, gonna bench with passmark and ween back the voltage now.



edit: shortly after posting this I got BSOD 101 and upped the cpu vcore to 1.55
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Ok so I took your advice and tried the 27 multiplier. Like Is aid typically this ram doesn't want to post over 1600 on this rig but its sitting @ 1633 just fine for once.

Heres what Ive got going on, gonna bench with passmark and ween back the voltage now.



edit: shortly after posting this I got BSOD 101 and upped the cpu vcore to 1.55
Nice speed for a C0
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Have you run memtest yet? I doubt anything with the memory is the problem, but it is always a good thing to check. I've seen some other people recommend it for the errors you got, so it wouldn't hurt to try.
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