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If you buy BD *just* for workstation purposes then there is something wrong especially if you don't overclock it which is the intention when you buy a Black Edition CPU.

What did you expect when AMD released a sub par processor that was hyped as a killer? You can't really defend something with specs that don't even match its predecessor. Oh it has a small increase in multithreaded performance you say? Wow, that 2% really will make a difference.
post #32 of 57
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Originally Posted by uncholowapo View Post
If you buy BD *just* for workstation purposes then there is something wrong especially if you don't overclock it which is the intention when you buy a Black Edition CPU.

What did you expect when AMD released a sub par processor that was hyped as a killer? You can't really defend something with specs that don't even match its predecessor. Oh it has a small increase in multithreaded performance you say? Wow, that 2% really will make a difference.
Why would that be wrong ? Its a workstation CPU and it excels in that role.Workstation market share is a good bit larger then Gaming market share.

They can release the chip in any way they wish in terms of marketing. I don't agree that its been productive marketing given what the enthusiast market aims for in regards to performance.

BTW looking at the benchmarks objectively, BD doesn't increase my work efficiency enough for me to bother with a upgrade. then again if they mature some things and it improve, I might.

So not every user is a gamer or overclocker specifically.
post #33 of 57
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Why would that be wrong ? Its a workstation CPU and it excels in that role.Workstation market share is a good bit larger then Gaming market share.

They can release the chip in any way they wish in terms of marketing. I don't agree that its been productive marketing given what the enthusiast market aims for in regards to performance.

BTW looking at the benchmarks objectively, BD doesn't increase my work efficiency enough for me to bother with a upgrade. then again if they mature some things and it improve, I might.

So not every user is a gamer or overclocker specifically.

About 81.5 percent of personal computers shipped had been desktop computers, 16.4 percent laptops and 2.1 percent servers

Sixty-eight percent of American households play computer or video games.


Forty percent of all game players are women. In fact, women over the age of 18 represent a significantly greater portion of the game-playing population (34 percent) than boys age 17 or younger (18 percent).


Consumers spent $25.1 billion on video games, hardware and accessories in 2010.



AMD total revenue for 2010 6.49 billion.




Gaming is part of the American mainstream now. Its not a small market. ENTHUSIASTS might be 9% of the market. Gamers are a lot more. The fact bulldozer performed abysmal on gaming benchmarks does not bode well for their client side products.


Even if enthusiasts are only 9% of the pc market they are 7.7% of the TOTAL computer market.. Which is more than the server market. So why would AMD go for 2% of the total market (if you include fusion products 18%) and not the 9% that spends a LOT more money a LOT more often.
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About 81.5 percent of personal computers shipped had been desktop computers, 16.4 percent laptops and 2.1 percent servers
Yes, of those desktops, a good % likely end up in small business using them for actual productive work. I can't find any stats, but that and workstations are large coporations go into the desktop market share. People do cad work more then they game on computers.

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Sixty-eight percent of American households play computer or video games.

on consoles

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Forty percent of all game players are women. In fact, women over the age of 18 represent a significantly greater portion of the game-playing population (34 percent) than boys age 17 or younger (18 percent).
2d flash games online and other puzzle games, hugely popular. Games like Angry Birds, flip those numbers in FPS games and it looks far less appealing.

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thats about what intel sells in product a year.

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AMD total revenue for 2010 6.49 billion.
your point ?




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Gaming is part of the American mainstream now. Its not a small market. ENTHUSIASTS might be 9% of the market. Gamers are a lot more. The fact bulldozer performed abysmal on gaming benchmarks does not bode well for their client side products.
That might be true, but you forgetting that nearly every office job, cad job, cnc programmers, engineer, etc etc etc. they each likely have a desktop.

thats the market the cpu is intended for looking at it, that and the servers serving up the data and running heavy workloads on the back end.
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Why would that be wrong ? Its a workstation CPU and it excels in that role.Workstation market share is a good bit larger then Gaming market share.

They can release the chip in any way they wish in terms of marketing. I don't agree that its been productive marketing given what the enthusiast market aims for in regards to performance.

BTW looking at the benchmarks objectively, BD doesn't increase my work efficiency enough for me to bother with a upgrade. then again if they mature some things and it improve, I might.

So not every user is a gamer or overclocker specifically.
Its wrong because they already have workstation CPU's called Interlagos and Magny-Cours. Its obvious BD was meant for the Enthusiasts otherwise that world record Chew* broke wouldn't have happened. Not every user is a gamer but the majority is. Aside from production purposes, gaming is the next thing that taxes the hardware and makes it relevant to have such type of hardware.
post #36 of 57
inb4thelock o boy..i'm glad to see there's rational,objective people here i have been buying amd products since the 586 days..and had a lot of fun with them..this latest thing (bulldozer) is a serious debacle..i've lost a lot of faith in that company..and i wouldn't recommend a bulldozer cpu to ANYONE..i also learned something from this..never again will i suggest someone wait until a new product is released..as it may be better..because...as in the case of bulldozer..it may NOT be better..and to anyone i suggested to wait and see about bulldozer..i apologize
 
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lol at the FAILDOZZER COMMENTS!
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Its wrong because they already have workstation CPU's called Interlagos and Magny-Cours. Its obvious BD was meant for the Enthusiasts otherwise that world record Chew* broke wouldn't have happened. Not every user is a gamer but the majority is. Aside from production purposes, gaming is the next thing that taxes the hardware and makes it relevant to have such type of hardware.
Your incorrect.

These days almost every job in the world has a computer of some sort tied to it. Gaming taxs the hardware in some respects. I guarantee my cad stations sucks down more compute power then your average game does. It needs every bit it can get. Currently I have a i-7 cad station. but hey, its all about the fanbios right ?
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I believe that is my incorrect.

Whatever the use, 93 times out of 100 (made up) Intel is offering better price vs performance currently, and that is with their mainstream platform... What hope is there for any work environment using Bulldozer when it can't keep pace with 4 cores, let alone 6...

Ivy will be out in probably less than five months, with 77w tdp, higher clocks, and more IPC... AMD dug a deep hole on this one, not that they can't rebound, but they've done nothing yet the 8150 is still $280 on Newegg, and is a terrible price vs performance purchase for any market segment.

That doesn't mean you can't compute with a bulldozer cpu, it just means there is currently almost no reason to purchase one over other offerings, sadly those offerings include their past design Thuban's and even Deneb is proving a better chip than the 4 series FX processors.
    
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Your incorrect.

These days almost every job in the world has a computer of some sort tied to it. Gaming taxs the hardware in some respects. I guarantee my cad stations sucks down more compute power then your average game does. It needs every bit it can get. Currently I have a i-7 cad station. but hey, its all about the fanbios right ?
Didn't I just say that it was the next thing to production purposes? Read before you respond as I acknowledged it.

I do CAD work myself with Revit and Inventor because I major in Architecture. There is no way that I would ever choose a BD for doing my renderings. There is a reason the visualization computers at my school are all Intel. Tell me the last time you saw a Phenom in a rendering or visualization setting? It may be the "cheap" option for multithreaded performance but a 970 or its Xeon equivalent will definitely pay for itself in the time saved.

As for the fanbios statement, in your case it definitively is. I choose what works to be the best investment, not something that kills it.
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