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post #41 of 57
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Originally Posted by uncholowapo View Post
Didn't I just say that it was the next thing to production purposes? Read before you respond as I acknowledged it.

I do CAD work myself with Revit and Inventor because I major in Architecture. There is no way that I would ever choose a BD for doing my renderings. There is a reason the visualization computers at my school are all Intel. Tell me the last time you saw a Phenom in a rendering or visualization setting? It may be the "cheap" option for multithreaded performance but a 970 or its Xeon equivalent will definitely pay for itself in the time saved.

As for the fanbios statement, in your case it definitively is. I choose what works to be the best investment, not something that kills it.
I'd like to point out, that BD actually does pretty good at rendering with autocad. Yes calling someone who owns a plethora of hardware from numerous manufacturers, that sure fanboy.

When people stop making inaccurate statements, I'll stop correcting them.
post #42 of 57
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Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared View Post
I believe that is my incorrect.

Whatever the use, 93 times out of 100 (made up) Intel is offering better price vs performance currently, and that is with their mainstream platform... What hope is there for any work environment using Bulldozer when it can't keep pace with 4 cores, let alone 6...

Ivy will be out in probably less than five months, with 77w tdp, higher clocks, and more IPC... AMD dug a deep hole on this one, not that they can't rebound, but they've done nothing yet the 8150 is still $280 on Newegg, and is a terrible price vs performance purchase for any market segment.

That doesn't mean you can't compute with a bulldozer cpu, it just means there is currently almost no reason to purchase one over other offerings, sadly those offerings include their past design Thuban's and even Deneb is proving a better chip than the 4 series FX processors.

Thats mostly your opinion, there are some applications and usage patterns that BD does excel at. Claiming this is universally true for everyone the Intel is the best bang for the buck, is not true nor accurate.

even 93 out of 100 is likely a very very very large overstatement.
post #43 of 57
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Originally Posted by SCollins View Post
I'd like to point out, that BD actually does pretty good at rendering with autocad. Yes calling someone who owns a plethora of hardware from numerous manufacturers, that sure fanboy.

When people stop making inaccurate statements, I'll stop correcting them.
Show me some numbers pitting a BD against a 970, 980, 2500k, 2600K, all rendering one of Revits default views from the initial examples that come with the program. If you BD beats all of them, I'll eat my shoe. Go ahead, heck I'll even let you design the thing that is going to be rendered if you want to use AutoCAD.

All these things you say, and yet you have no proof what so ever. The closest thing you have going for you is the Cinebench scores which don't top a quad core even when overclocked. You can't expect that performance to increase by switching to programs like Maya, SolidWorks, 3DS Max or any other workstation stuff.

But hey, atleast I can unpack a rar file 1 second faster.
post #44 of 57
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Originally Posted by uncholowapo View Post
Show me some numbers pitting a BD against a 970, 980, 2500k, 2600K, all rendering one of Revits default views from the initial examples that come with the program. If you BD beats all of them, I'll eat my shoe. Go ahead, heck I'll even let you design the thing that is going to be rendered if you want to use AutoCAD.

All these things you say, and yet you have no proof what so ever. The closest thing you have going for you is the Cinebench scores which don't top a quad core even when overclocked. You can't expect that performance to increase by switching to programs like Maya, SolidWorks, 3DS Max or any other workstation stuff.

But hey, atleast I can unpack a rar file 1 second faster.
Well there are solidworks benchmarks.

your the one making claims, not I. I have not specifically said the BD beat Intel offerings or vice versa. I am saying that there are applications BD excels at.

You can find the info on your own, I've linked it here more then once.

And again, I'll say this. Buy what fits YOUR needs. Said it plenty enough around here. If thats a I7 or a 9550 phenom, buy what fits your needs,budget,performance requirements.

thats all one should do.

synthetic benchmarks though, I don't trust them 100%.
post #45 of 57
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Originally Posted by SCollins View Post
Thats mostly your opinion, there are some applications and usage patterns that BD does excel at. Claiming this is universally true for everyone the Intel is the best bang for the buck, is not true nor accurate.

even 93 out of 100 is likely a very very very large overstatement.
>there are some applications usage patterns that BD does excel at.

Why do you fanboy and defend AMD when they downright lied to the consumer, and personally they deserve whatever hate they get. Intel does hold the best bang for the buck at the moment. Bulldozer was overhyped and collapsed under it's own weight. The sad thing is that AMD embraced that hype and jumped on the hype train full of lies. And now they're gonna pay for it.
post #46 of 57
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>there are some applications usage patterns that BD does excel at.

Why do you fanboy and defend AMD when they downright lied to the consumer, and personally they deserve whatever hate they get. Intel does hold the best bang for the buck at the moment. Bulldozer was overhyped and collapsed under it's own weight. The sad thing is that AMD embraced that hype and jumped on the hype train full of lies. And now they're gonna pay for it.
What is this a bad b movie like Machete ? Really

I mean what is wrong with you ? Its a CPU, buy it if you need it or like it or whatever. Don't buy it if you don't need it, don't like it, whatever.

BTW there are some applications and workloads that run pretty good on the chip. Its just not what the enthusiast community expected in terms of performance. Fine, don't buy it. No one is forcing you to do so.
post #47 of 57
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Originally Posted by Despair View Post
>there are some applications usage patterns that BD does excel at.

Why do you fanboy and defend AMD when they downright lied to the consumer, and personally they deserve whatever hate they get. Intel does hold the best bang for the buck at the moment. Bulldozer was overhyped and collapsed under it's own weight. The sad thing is that AMD embraced that hype and jumped on the hype train full of lies. And now they're gonna pay for it.
This.

Every single thread with Bulldozer, you will see that SCcollins is the only guy defending Bulldozer.

My guess is that he works for AMD and for that I am sorry.
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post #48 of 57
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This.

Every single thread with Bulldozer, you will see that SCcollins is the only guy defending Bulldozer.

My guess is that he works for AMD and for that I am sorry.
Actually, I don't work for AMD. I just hate people who say things that are not founded in sound reasoning.

I am not defending BD. If you see it that way, thats your choice.All the infantile whining though, its got to stop.Some of us would like to have intelligent well mannered conversations on the subject, apparently the high self esteem generation can't cope with this.
post #49 of 57
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What is this a bad b movie like Machete ? Really

I mean what is wrong with you ? Its a CPU, buy it if you need it or like it or whatever. Don't buy it if you don't need it, don't like it, whatever.

BTW there are some applications and workloads that run pretty good on the chip. Its just not what the enthusiast community expected in terms of performance. Fine, don't buy it. No one is forcing you to do so.
My question to you is why do you constantly defend something and start debates for nothing. Bulldozer got Bulldozed, nothing but another revision can fix what was done wrong.
post #50 of 57
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Originally Posted by Despair View Post
My question to you is why do you constantly defend something and start debates for nothing. Bulldozer got Bulldozed, nothing but another revision can fix what was done wrong.
This is your problem. I am not on Team Green or Team Blue. I buy the product that does the job I need to do, nothing more. Try objectivity, its available in the critical thinking section.
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