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I am aware that I need to upgrade, but I have no money right now. I was able to get it to 3.6ghz, but it was not prime95 stable. I don't think the Zalman 9500 is good enough to cool the q6600 @ 3.6ghz. I could run things like 3dmark vantage, superpi and prime95 blend, but if I ran prime95 short tff it'd crash hard. Well it'd start hitting like 75c and I didn't want to damage my PC. It'd show no signs of slowing down heat wise either. I have a theory that when the q6600 is at 3.6ghz and all four cores are 100% **** hits the fan. I would assume if I was just gaming and not all 4 cores were doing crazy floating point torture test math, it'd be fine.

I haven't even really turned this PC on much in the last year, but I want to play Skyrim, Rage and maybe Battlefield 3. Mainly Skyrim.

Right now I have it running prime95 with 8x400 (3.2ghz) and its stable enough to make it. Also I am only hitting 60c with full load. What video card would not bottleneck the q6600 @ 3.2ghz too hard? I am going to wait for something to get on sale for ~$150. I saw a gtx 560 ti for $160 after rebate today. I know ~$150 isn't much, but with Black Friday and Christmas around the corner I am sure I will find something.

The only thing good going for me with this system is I will only be playing 1680x1050 and I don't care about AA/AF. I do hate when my minimum FPS drops under 30fps.

Has anyone ever heard of a zalman 9500 cooling off a q6600 @ 3.6ghz? Is it possible? Well I got it to run, but not prime95 tff stable. Too much damn heat.

Oh and my q6600 is the G0 revision. 1.21v VID. I have had it stable 356x9. The one thing I dislike about not having the FSB @ 400 is it conflicts with my DDR-800 ram. With 8x400 I can do 1:1.

Edit:
I reapplied the paste and reseated the heatsink and so far things are good. Between the paste and the bios I think I got this 3.6ghz stable. I used probably 2-4x too much arctic silver which isn't normal for me as I have been doing this for like 10 years. My horizontal line was not centered so I might redo the paste tomorrow, but as of right now I am 10c lower at least on loads. Prime95 so far is rock solid stable. I will let it run all night.
Edited by Entombed - 10/22/11 at 2:50am
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You have an awesome VID- and as much as I would like to have this, I'll give you the link in case you want to buy.

http://www.overclock.net/main-compon...-q6600-ga.html

Grab the MOBO while you can- I have the lesser UD3R and am running on 3.6 with 400MHz with 1.45625 volts- My VID is 1.3x

The only thing holding you back is the MOBO, IMO-

I also ran the GTX 480 problem free, and I still run it.

EDIT: I also run the same resolution as you-
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I think I'm going to try a different BIOS version. I'm told some of the older ones were better for 65nm.

If that doesn't help I am going to lap my heatsink/cpu. I seriously don't have any money and won't for awhile. I can get the materials to lap free easily.

Lapping the heatsink and CPU has been known to lower temps up to 10c. 10c + 2-5c AS5 burn in might just do it.
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I think I'm going to try a different BIOS version. I'm told some of the older ones were better for 65nm.

If that doesn't help I am going to lap my heatsink/cpu. I seriously don't have any money and won't for awhile. I can get the materials to lap free easily.

Lapping the heatsink and CPU has been known to lower temps up to 10c. 10c + 2-5c AS5 burn in might just do it.
I've used the:

Zalman 9500 or 9700
Zalman 9900
Promilatech Megahalems

All on the Q6600, I've also used them stock, and lapped- all of them with AS5.

You will not likely get 10 degrees, but probably somewhere around 5 if you do both the heatsink and CPU w/ AS5.

It looks like you have a great chip- so focus on the other parts of your build, including the case and cooling, if the chip is getting too hot. Your chip's VID is better than most.

EDIT: It might have something to do with your case airflow, and/or thermal paste and heatsink application.
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If your case has so many cables that you have to push many things aside just to plug things in, then your airflow is crappy. My case with the older Zalman had an intake 120mm fan, and an exhaust 120mm fan. I alo used a very high quality power supply, 750 watt PC Power & Cooling Silencer 1 series. (bad power supply can cause overheating so check your voltages in the BIOS).

I also used high flow fans (~$10 each) not the cheapo crap you get with a budget case.

Finally- Applying thermal paste:

clean the chip and the heatsink with coffee filters and alcohol---- better than 90% alcohol is recommended or you can use only filters (but only if you use the same thermal compound). You then apply a line of paste across the chip's center (from left to right or right to left) and do not touch it. You center the heatsink before you place it, and then set it down [DO NOT LIFT IT BACK UP]. tighten it down bit by bit from opposing screws, until it's tight.

Doing otherwise will add air bubbles into the paste which is only meant to fill areas which do not have metal to metal contact----it's not supposed to conduct heat, it's supposed to fill in the gaps and spaces in the metal.
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Yea I followed the instructions on the AS5 website. A small horizontal line. I also think I got the heat sink on well, but I'll retry. I use something called "goof off" that you buy at the department store to clean the paste off really well. I downgraded to bios version 14 because its supposedly better for 65nm (q6600). I have cables all over my case, but right now I am just leaving the door off. Maybe that's why. I just cleared my CMOS and left everything at default except AHCI. I have ran prime95 now for 10 minutes with my CPU @ 2.4ghz and its only 40c.
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Honestly man, the Q6600 isn't as bad as you might think. Sure, it's outdated in the sense of the new intel chips...without question. But it definitely still performs at a decent rate for even today's games. Clock for clock, its on par with the AMD Phenom II's, which aren't terrible processors. Being yours is OCed to 3.2, you're still good to go for a bit anyways The Q6600 wouldn't bottleneck the 560ti, much if any running at 3.2... hell, I just ordered a 6970 to hook up to mine LOL
    
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Yea I followed the instructions on the AS5 website. A small horizontal line. I also think I got the heat sink on well, but I'll retry. I use something called "goof off" that you buy at the department store to clean the paste off really well. I downgraded to bios version 14 because its supposedly better for 65nm (q6600). I have cables all over my case, but right now I am just leaving the door off. Maybe that's why. I just cleared my CMOS and left everything at default except AHCI. I have ran prime95 now for 10 minutes with my CPU @ 2.4ghz and its only 40c.
Good that you mentioned the Goof Off- I've used that, and some other "gummy-removers"- You should always clean them with highly concentrated alcohol (above 90%) and let them dry more, the lower the percentage is. Those gum-removers can leave a residue, and that residue can act as a barrier for heat transfer. Some removers can even leave an oil film that will prevent the thermal compound from embedding into the metal surfaces.

I can't add much more than that, but good luck- and it was smart of you to check AS website for application--- it took me years to figure that part out.
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BIOS ver14 might have fixed my problems. I'm at 3.6ghz running prime95 tff test now 20 minutes. 67 degrees is where I am hovering at. When I touch the heatsink it doesn't' feel that hot I am kind of skeptical of the temperature readout. I'll probably reseat my sink just to see what happens.

The zalman isn't making contact with the CPU I think. I will investigate.

How do I know this?

When I lay the tower down on its side, the temperature drops. If I put the case back up, it rises. When gravity pulls the zalman to the CPU I'm cool.
Edited by Entombed - 10/22/11 at 1:52am
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Well I have a Q6600 CPU with a Striker Extreme MoBo, 2 x 2GB Crosair 800MHz DDR2 and I just got a MSI GTX 560 Ti (950/1900/4200) and I run Crysis 1 (DX10) & 2 (DX11), along with Bad Company 2, Assassin's Creed II, Deus Ex Human Revolution with every single graphical setting maxed the hell out, and I get a constant 30+ FPS. At times it drops a bit but it still runs smooth, even with a ton of explosions going off in Crysis, and I had the CPU at the stock 2.4GHz. I remember a few times watching the CPU load spike around 90 and it stuttered a bit, but that was at the start of the Crysis 2 level with the earthquake.

I OC'ed the CPU to 3.0GHz (333MHz FSB * 9) and I don't see much difference with any games, but my Zalman 9700 HSF keeps it under 58 C after 1 hr of Prime95 with no errors so I just let it stay. I have a Logitech G15 Keyboard and I monitor the CPU Load with hours of Crysis 1 and 2 and the Cores hardly ever go over 50%

Basically, i've googled like crazy before getting the GPU and there's always a few people talking about "bottleneck" but so far I don't see it, even with the Q6600 at stock speeds, even with very demanding games. This processor is dated, but it's here to stay man, and maxing it on a 24" HDTV at 1080p with no lag is more than enough proof of that. Going to try BF3 and Witcher 2, and i'm confident they will all work fine

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