Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Software News › [SG] ICS adds native stylus support to Android
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[SG] ICS adds native stylus support to Android

post #1 of 8
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich includes native support for smartphones and tablets with a digital stylus Google has confirmed, including pressure recognition, hover tracking and nib-tilt, with differentiation between pen and finger use. A specific stylus API, spotted by Reddit among the Android 4.0 highlights, can differentiate between a stylus, finger, mouse and eraser, as well as support pens with up to three buttons. Previously, devices like the HTC Flyer and Samsung Galaxy Note required custom pen-control systems be created to handle their digital styli.
Source

Very awesome. I always wanted a touch screen monitor to control Photoshop with (Speculative).
Edited by Tehrawk - 10/22/11 at 8:32am
Dethkomp
(27 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4670k @ 4.5Ghz 1.26v Asus Z87 Pro Gigabyte GTX980Ti Windforce OC edition G-Skill 16gb DDR3 2400Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 830 256gb Samsung 840 Evo 4tb HDD Samsung DVD Burner 
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Corsair H110 Windows 8 Ultimate 64bit Ubuntu 13.04 3x Potalion 27" 1440p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G710+ Super Flower 1000w Platinum HAF X CM Storm Spawn 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Steelseries Experience I-2 Creative Sound Blaster Titanium X-Fi (Heavily m... Yamaha RX-V667 receiver Monitor Audio BX2 5.1 
AudioAudioAudioOther
Sennheiser RS220 Audio Technica ATM-M50 Samson Meteor Mic Humanscale Freedom chair 
OtherOtherOther
MSFFB2+X52 modded flightstick Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals Track IR 5 
  hide details  
Reply
Dethkomp
(27 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4670k @ 4.5Ghz 1.26v Asus Z87 Pro Gigabyte GTX980Ti Windforce OC edition G-Skill 16gb DDR3 2400Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 830 256gb Samsung 840 Evo 4tb HDD Samsung DVD Burner 
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Corsair H110 Windows 8 Ultimate 64bit Ubuntu 13.04 3x Potalion 27" 1440p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G710+ Super Flower 1000w Platinum HAF X CM Storm Spawn 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Steelseries Experience I-2 Creative Sound Blaster Titanium X-Fi (Heavily m... Yamaha RX-V667 receiver Monitor Audio BX2 5.1 
AudioAudioAudioOther
Sennheiser RS220 Audio Technica ATM-M50 Samson Meteor Mic Humanscale Freedom chair 
OtherOtherOther
MSFFB2+X52 modded flightstick Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals Track IR 5 
  hide details  
Reply
post #2 of 8
photoshop for Android 4.0 ?
Money pit
(12 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
SB-E 3930K @ 4.5GHz & 1.36v Rampage IV Formula R9 290 OC CF DDR3 1866 Dominator Platinum 4 x 4GB (9-11-9-27... 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitorKeyboard
2 x 128GB SSD + 2 x 500GB + 1 x 1TB Heatkiller rev. 3, EK motherboard VRM, Aquacomp... Catleap Q270 27" 2560 x 1440 @ 65Hz Ducky Mini (Snake) 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Corsair HX850W lian li v2000b plus (black) G400 in MX518 case Audioengine A2 + 10" Sub 
  hide details  
Reply
Money pit
(12 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
SB-E 3930K @ 4.5GHz & 1.36v Rampage IV Formula R9 290 OC CF DDR3 1866 Dominator Platinum 4 x 4GB (9-11-9-27... 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitorKeyboard
2 x 128GB SSD + 2 x 500GB + 1 x 1TB Heatkiller rev. 3, EK motherboard VRM, Aquacomp... Catleap Q270 27" 2560 x 1440 @ 65Hz Ducky Mini (Snake) 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Corsair HX850W lian li v2000b plus (black) G400 in MX518 case Audioengine A2 + 10" Sub 
  hide details  
Reply
post #3 of 8
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by quakermaas View Post
photoshop for Android 4.0 ?
No I'm just speculating, that there will be an app to control Photoshop on your PC through your tablet.
Dethkomp
(27 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4670k @ 4.5Ghz 1.26v Asus Z87 Pro Gigabyte GTX980Ti Windforce OC edition G-Skill 16gb DDR3 2400Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 830 256gb Samsung 840 Evo 4tb HDD Samsung DVD Burner 
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Corsair H110 Windows 8 Ultimate 64bit Ubuntu 13.04 3x Potalion 27" 1440p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G710+ Super Flower 1000w Platinum HAF X CM Storm Spawn 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Steelseries Experience I-2 Creative Sound Blaster Titanium X-Fi (Heavily m... Yamaha RX-V667 receiver Monitor Audio BX2 5.1 
AudioAudioAudioOther
Sennheiser RS220 Audio Technica ATM-M50 Samson Meteor Mic Humanscale Freedom chair 
OtherOtherOther
MSFFB2+X52 modded flightstick Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals Track IR 5 
  hide details  
Reply
Dethkomp
(27 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4670k @ 4.5Ghz 1.26v Asus Z87 Pro Gigabyte GTX980Ti Windforce OC edition G-Skill 16gb DDR3 2400Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 830 256gb Samsung 840 Evo 4tb HDD Samsung DVD Burner 
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Corsair H110 Windows 8 Ultimate 64bit Ubuntu 13.04 3x Potalion 27" 1440p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G710+ Super Flower 1000w Platinum HAF X CM Storm Spawn 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Steelseries Experience I-2 Creative Sound Blaster Titanium X-Fi (Heavily m... Yamaha RX-V667 receiver Monitor Audio BX2 5.1 
AudioAudioAudioOther
Sennheiser RS220 Audio Technica ATM-M50 Samson Meteor Mic Humanscale Freedom chair 
OtherOtherOther
MSFFB2+X52 modded flightstick Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals Track IR 5 
  hide details  
Reply
post #4 of 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tehrawk View Post
No I'm just speculating, that there will be an app to control Photoshop on your PC through your tablet.
That would be insanely sexy, if it's pixel-accurate, that is.
post #5 of 8
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by XNine View Post
That would be insanely sexy, if it's pixel-accurate, that is.
This is what it will boil down to all right. Resistive screens are known for their accuracy, and they also support multitouch. But then its a question of durability, resistive screens just cant compete with the likes of Gorilla Glass. With the insanely high ppi of modern phone and tablet screens, capacitive just cant keep up.
Dethkomp
(27 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4670k @ 4.5Ghz 1.26v Asus Z87 Pro Gigabyte GTX980Ti Windforce OC edition G-Skill 16gb DDR3 2400Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 830 256gb Samsung 840 Evo 4tb HDD Samsung DVD Burner 
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Corsair H110 Windows 8 Ultimate 64bit Ubuntu 13.04 3x Potalion 27" 1440p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G710+ Super Flower 1000w Platinum HAF X CM Storm Spawn 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Steelseries Experience I-2 Creative Sound Blaster Titanium X-Fi (Heavily m... Yamaha RX-V667 receiver Monitor Audio BX2 5.1 
AudioAudioAudioOther
Sennheiser RS220 Audio Technica ATM-M50 Samson Meteor Mic Humanscale Freedom chair 
OtherOtherOther
MSFFB2+X52 modded flightstick Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals Track IR 5 
  hide details  
Reply
Dethkomp
(27 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4670k @ 4.5Ghz 1.26v Asus Z87 Pro Gigabyte GTX980Ti Windforce OC edition G-Skill 16gb DDR3 2400Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 830 256gb Samsung 840 Evo 4tb HDD Samsung DVD Burner 
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Corsair H110 Windows 8 Ultimate 64bit Ubuntu 13.04 3x Potalion 27" 1440p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G710+ Super Flower 1000w Platinum HAF X CM Storm Spawn 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Steelseries Experience I-2 Creative Sound Blaster Titanium X-Fi (Heavily m... Yamaha RX-V667 receiver Monitor Audio BX2 5.1 
AudioAudioAudioOther
Sennheiser RS220 Audio Technica ATM-M50 Samson Meteor Mic Humanscale Freedom chair 
OtherOtherOther
MSFFB2+X52 modded flightstick Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals Track IR 5 
  hide details  
Reply
post #6 of 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tehrawk View Post
This is what it will boil down to all right. Resistive screens are known for their accuracy, and they also support multitouch. But then its a question of durability, resistive screens just cant compete with the likes of Gorilla Glass. With the insanely high ppi of modern phone and tablet screens, capacitive just cant keep up.
Firstly, Android should have had stylus support years ago. Even the Apple Newton from the mid 90's had stylus support. It isn't that complicated and certainly isn't something to brag about in 2011 (it's more like the feature you silently add and hope users think it was always there).

Secondly, you can have your cake and eat it too with resistive technology. Resistive panels are more accurate as you say. Newer one are pressure sensitive as well (something that is impossible for capacitive screens). In addition, several resistive screen makers use glass screens. A quick google search for "glass resistive screen" turned up Densitron Displays. There are many others, but this was the first entry for this search.

From their website:

Quote:
5 Wire Glass Film Glass Analogue Resistive Touch Panels for superior durability and reliability:

Extraordinary combination of traditional resistive touch with the addition of a glass cover lens offers and extremely cost competitive hardened sensor for use with a gloved hand, wet or harsh working environment or a passive stylus is required.

5 wire glass resistive touch small

- Works with Thick Gloves
- Works when extremely wet or with salt water!
- Transparency is 80% Typ.
- Haze 4.5%
- Operating force < 100g
- Impact: 25.0 Dia. Steel Ball / 67g Height = 100 cm
- Durability 10M times (knock test, see data sheet)
- Scratch Resistant: Hardness - 7 Mohs
- Drift - repeated calibration typically unnecessary
- Works with passive stylus

Instead of being satisfied with the typical scratch prone low cost film to glass technology, the addition of a thin micro sheet of glass bonded to the face of the film to glass touch screen allows the Densitron DTS416 family of touch screens to offer 7 Mohs scratch hardness dramatically reducing scratches and abrasion. This approach produces an extremely cost competitive glass surfaced touch screen suitable to a wide array of applications. Suited to almost any all weather, industrial or instrument grade touch display application.
post #7 of 8
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hajile View Post
Firstly, Android should have had stylus support years ago. Even the Apple Newton from the mid 90's had stylus support. It isn't that complicated and certainly isn't something to brag about in 2011 (it's more like the feature you silently add and hope users think it was always there).
Traditional styli don't work with capacitive screens. There are some available that work, but there is a bit more to them. You cant just use a plastic stylus on a capacitive screen. Of course the Newton has a stylus. It, like the vast majority of PDA's have resistive screens.

The reason capacitive became the norm with tablets and phones, is because of multi touch. Its only recently that it has become possible to have multi touch on resistive screens. Those glass resistive screens you linked, certainly look interesting. If they can support multi touch, then that really would be the ultimate touch screen. Durable and precise.
Dethkomp
(27 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4670k @ 4.5Ghz 1.26v Asus Z87 Pro Gigabyte GTX980Ti Windforce OC edition G-Skill 16gb DDR3 2400Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 830 256gb Samsung 840 Evo 4tb HDD Samsung DVD Burner 
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Corsair H110 Windows 8 Ultimate 64bit Ubuntu 13.04 3x Potalion 27" 1440p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G710+ Super Flower 1000w Platinum HAF X CM Storm Spawn 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Steelseries Experience I-2 Creative Sound Blaster Titanium X-Fi (Heavily m... Yamaha RX-V667 receiver Monitor Audio BX2 5.1 
AudioAudioAudioOther
Sennheiser RS220 Audio Technica ATM-M50 Samson Meteor Mic Humanscale Freedom chair 
OtherOtherOther
MSFFB2+X52 modded flightstick Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals Track IR 5 
  hide details  
Reply
Dethkomp
(27 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4670k @ 4.5Ghz 1.26v Asus Z87 Pro Gigabyte GTX980Ti Windforce OC edition G-Skill 16gb DDR3 2400Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 830 256gb Samsung 840 Evo 4tb HDD Samsung DVD Burner 
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Corsair H110 Windows 8 Ultimate 64bit Ubuntu 13.04 3x Potalion 27" 1440p 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G710+ Super Flower 1000w Platinum HAF X CM Storm Spawn 
Mouse PadAudioAudioAudio
Steelseries Experience I-2 Creative Sound Blaster Titanium X-Fi (Heavily m... Yamaha RX-V667 receiver Monitor Audio BX2 5.1 
AudioAudioAudioOther
Sennheiser RS220 Audio Technica ATM-M50 Samson Meteor Mic Humanscale Freedom chair 
OtherOtherOther
MSFFB2+X52 modded flightstick Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals Track IR 5 
  hide details  
Reply
post #8 of 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tehrawk View Post
Traditional styli don't work with capacitive screens. There are some available that work, but there is a bit more to them. You cant just use a plastic stylus on a capacitive screen. Of course the Newton has a stylus. It, like the vast majority of PDA's have resistive screens.

The reason capacitive became the norm with tablets and phones, is because of multi touch. Its only recently that it has become possible to have multi touch on resistive screens. Those glass resistive screens you linked, certainly look interesting. If they can support multi touch, then that really would be the ultimate touch screen. Durable and precise.
While it's true that multi-touch was first tested on a capacitive screen in the 70's, the technology works the same way in both types of screens (the difference is in closing a switch with pressure or by closing a switch by changing a charge.

Here's a company that claims multi-touch and glass screens. Their PDF claims over 4000 dpi sensitivity.
Don't forget Stantum either.

My point was that the programming needed for stylus input is simple compared to most, in fact, conversion of code designed for a mouse would likely do fine. Why didn't Google do this?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Software News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Software News › [SG] ICS adds native stylus support to Android