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Since the perfect keyboard doesnt exist especially not in US layout, I would like some suggestions on TWO different boards.

1) Typing keyboard (about 60% of the time):
-mechanical
-IT layout
-ps/2 native
-tenkeyless would be better but none exists.
-black keys with well visible lettering (PBT keycaps would be better)
-no windows key, or possibility to disable it
I come from typing on a model M. Quieter would be a plus, but i still need to feel some click/feedback on actuation because i type mostly without looking.
Which kind of switch would be the most similar to the bucker springs that i'm used to?

Options:
-Filco Majestouch 2 (only one with italian layout) -to choose the switches
(unfortunately has the win key )

2) Gaming keyboard (about 40% of the time)
-5+ macro keys with LONG macro support, preferrably positioned close to F keys.
-hardware macros to avoid delays
-backlit (white would be best but as long as i can see the keys in low light)
-springs that allow for fast tapping (at least 4 times in a row)
-usb with passtrough or hub
-keys resistant enough, but i dont smash boards
-NO wrist rest (or at least detacheable)
For mechanical i think it would suit me only mx reds and blacks.

Options:
-Roccat Valo (cheap but how are the keys?)
-Corsair K90 (not crazy of the silver metal color in the right half, pricy)
-Logitech G110
-(more, open to suggestions)
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Buckling springs are pretty much one of a kind. Due to the way that a buckling spring mechanism works I don't believe there is a way to make it [easily] quiet. Some switches that may be worthwhile to look at for a user who prefers strong tactile switches would be: ALPS style, MX Blue, or MX Clear. The clears and some ALPS do not have a click. The MX Blues and a lot of the ALPS are loud.

For your first keyboard I would suggest a Cherry G80-1800 in black as seen here with some mods http://keyboardporn.com/mx-switch/g80-1800-hfu-modded/ unfortunately they are hard to come by.

As for the gaming keyboard I don't know if anything actually fits all of the requirements. You are really asking for a lot there and you may have to make some compromises unless you get that K90 you are looking at.
Edited by magna224 - 10/23/11 at 6:34pm
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I have the G110 and am fairly satisfied for its price.\\

Plus it has 3+ key roll-over

Also is quite tactile for a rubber dome IMO
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Buckling springs are pretty much one of a kind. Due to the way that a buckling spring mechanism works I don't believe there is a way to make it [easily] quiet. Some switches that may be worthwhile to look at for a user who prefers strong tactile switches would be: ALPS style, MX Blue, or MX Clear. The clears and some ALPS do not have a click. The MX Blues and a lot of the ALPS are loud.
The buckling springs do not give me almost any kind of feedback,except for the click. It's not that i prefer strong tactile switches, but i'm used to for 10+ years.
I'm reading reviews of ppl comparing the model M to other mechanical keyboards about typing feel and speed and mx blues and brown compares favorably. I heard some boards with the blues and they are LESS noisy than mine.

I can say that my fingers do not get tired when typing (or doing other stuff) for hours, so I wont consider heavier springs, but a bit lighter yes, it wouldnt hurt. I tried rubber domes and they are too light and weird, and I do ton of typos on them.
I need some kind of feedback to know that I've hit the key, may be a tactile feedback (brown?) and also click (blues?). My worry is that a backfire feedback too strong like in the clears can cause finger fatigue, so I would rather go with browns.

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For your first keyboard I would suggest a Cherry G80-1800 in black as seen here with some mods http://keyboardporn.com/mx-switch/g80-1800-hfu-modded/ unfortunately they are hard to come by.
I really like the compact layout, but it's even harder to find in italian layout, which i need when writing. I can possibly find german layout, which is the second best thing and replace a few caps. That raises considerably my cherry choice.
I'm gonna monitor ebay.de in the next few months.

Otherwise, my options are REALLY limited:
mx brown:
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_d...sp?PRODUCT=752
and blue (out of stock and wonder if they ever come back):
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_d...sp?PRODUCT=770
third option is black which I dont think are good for me.

And i have to find a way to disable the windows keys, especially the left one (removing the keycap when typing may be enough).
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I have the G110 and am fairly satisfied for its price.\\

Plus it has 3+ key roll-over

Also is quite tactile for a rubber dome IMO
scraped.
3Nkey is too few since i tap even 5 times sometimes.
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We have these for $35 shipped in USA http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHERRY-PS-2-...ht_1323wt_1396

They are kind of ugly but its only $35 and has doubleshot keycaps. The G80-1800s show up on keyboard websites like geekhack.org or deskthority.net sometimes but you have to be quick to get one they are highly sought after.
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We have these for $35 shipped in USA http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHERRY-PS-2-...ht_1323wt_1396

They are kind of ugly but its only $35 and has doubleshot keycaps. The G80-1800s show up on keyboard websites like geekhack.org or deskthority.net sometimes but you have to be quick to get one they are highly sought after.
+5$ shipping within US + 30/40$ overseas reshipping to me +VAT/customs if I'm unlucky.

Do you think the mx black are fine for me?

I think my best bet is to try a couple of keyboards on the cheap side to find the switches I'm more comfortable with typing and then hunt for the best one i can find with those (+ keycaps).
Cherry G80-3000 are around 50€ here, and I could get two pieces to test.

Look here at the product codes:
http://geizhals.at/eu/?in=&fs=cherry+G80-3000
Somebody know to which switches they correspond?
I found only LRC = mx blue, as per this review:
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6929
The blue is on sale here on a reliable shop i often use:
http://www.computeruniverse.net/prod...k-usb/ps/2.asp

I want to try blue + black or brown (if i can find the product codes).
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This is the best model guide but it isn't always correct.
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?tit...erry+keyboards

The MX Black might be a good switch to try coming from buckling springs. It isn't tactile at all but extremely smooth and a lot quieter. Quite a few people find the black switches not fit for typing regularly due to not having a tactile response but there are also many who find it to be just fine. Browns might feel too light after coming from a heavy switch or the could be a relief depending on what you like.

Your idea of getting a bunch of cheap boards to try the switches is probably best because if you just choose one and like it and never try anything else you will never know what your missing out on

Most Doubleshot keycaps are thick and have very nice contrast and the printing never wears out. The cherry boards that start with an H in the model designates doubleshot keycaps. If you do decide to get a bunch of cheap cherry boards you might want to get one with doubleshots and move the caps onto whichever board you end up with.
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I think i need one keyboard full layout with italian double shots to have a good keyset, and then try boards for switches and layout.
There is no tenkeyless ISO from Cherry, but would the cherry keycaps fit on a Filco?
I asked a quote for double-shot tenkeyless italian set at SP and it's 700$, so much better to get a board just for the labels.

I have more or less figured out the switches types on the current G80-3000 boards:
http://www.cherry.de/cid/b2b_keyboards_G80-3000.htm? (models tab)
The first letter helps to design the labeling, great

I decided that I will try browns and blacks. I definitely want something quieter than my IBM, and the browns "sound" good. But maybe the tactile feedback annoys me. I may be able to try the reds first with the gaming board, but I'm still not convinced about the Corsair hybrid (i use the F keys a LOT when gaming).

PS: YGPM

Edit: Great, no browns in the G80-3000 series I could try clears but i'm afraid the bump maybe too strong. Need to figure out if cherry keycaps can go on Filcos beforehand.
Edited by Telstar - 10/25/11 at 10:34am
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Have you given a look at Ducky keyboards from TankGuys?
http://www.tankguys.com/mechnical-keyboards.html

You could contact them about getting your typing keyboard with PBT keys.
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